Mr. Armstrong.

No; I don't remember when it was, but I remember that incident--I know who he was talking to--it was just a conversation and I happened to be there and to hear this party.

Mr. Hubert.

His view, generally, then, was that an elected official should be respected, is that the idea?

Mr. Hubert.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Because they had been elected by the people?

Mr. Armstrong.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever hear him discuss the President of the United States?

Mr. Armstrong.

I'm sure I have everybody has, but I don't know of what nature or what subject, but I'm sure I heard him discuss the President.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, Of course, you know that in this country as perhaps all over the world there are different views about government, and society normally called "isms" left or right or communisms or pro-Castro or anti-Castro or things of that sort?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever heard Ruby express himself in areas of thought such as those?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; I know he threw a guy out of the club once for speaking as a Communist.

Mr. Hubert.

Will you tell us about that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, it was just that this guy was heckling with the MC, Wally Weston, and he was coming on like he was a large portion of the Communist Party.

Mr. Hubert.

This man was--this patron?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; and Wally stepped off of the stage he made a remark that----

Mr. Hubert.

When you say "he" do you mean Wally?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; the customer made a remark that Wally could be--made a remark something similar to Wally could be a Communist or something like that too, in other words, "How do I know, you may be a Communist, too," or something like that. And, Wally stepped off of the stage and said, "Don't you call me a Communist," and he hit the guy and by the time he hit him Jack had him and was rushing him out the door, and told him, "Never come back in this club no more."

Mr. Hubert.

Did he push him out of the door?

Mr. Armstrong.

He pushed him out of the door--he pushed him up against the wall and told him to go out the door.

Mr. Hubert.

He didn't hit him?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; he didn't hit him--Wally hit him.

Mr. Hubert.

And Jack hustled him out?

Mr. Armstrong.

When you go out the door, you are going to face a wall--in other words, the stairways come up like this [indicating], and the door is here and you've got to turn and go down the stairway and he shoved the guy right on into the wall.

Mr. Hubert.

Then he walked down the stairs?

Mr. Armstrong.

Then he hurried down the stairs.

Mr. Hubert.

When was this incident?

Mr. Armstrong.

It was--I would say around the last of September or somewhere along in there or October.

Mr. Hubert.

What makes you fix the date?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, it was toward the last part of the summer, I'm sure.

Mr. Hubert.

This man had been in the audience boasting, you say, that he was a big shot Communist?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, not a big shot, but he come on like he was a big portion of the Communist Party.

Mr. Hubert.

What sort of looking man was he?

Mr. Armstrong.

He was a young fellow with two other young couples from Arlington State College--I think that's where he said he was from.

Mr. Hubert.

Who told you that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, that's what they said--that's what they had said,