Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; I know he went--I called him at the gym a number of times. If he would tell me he was on his way to the gym, he would be there, and that was three times a week, I'm sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any opportunity to observe whether he was a powerful man or not?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

So, what you are telling us is he took exercise and went to a physical exercise club?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

He took exercise?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What about the dogs that he kept there?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, there is nothing much about them--just some dachshunds.

Mr. Hubert.

How many did he have?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, at one time first he had a little dog named Sheba, which was half Chihuahua or something, I don't know what it were, and she got lost, and they were named Clipper and Sheba.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, he had Sheba right up to the last, didn't he?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes; he had Sheba right up to the last.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you mean, "She got lost"?

Mr. Armstrong.

No, no----I mean Sweetie the little dog that got lost was named Sweetie.

Mr. Hubert.

I thought you said Sheba got lost.

Mr. Armstrong.

Sheba and Clipper were the only ones he had then, and then Sheba had some puppies and they grew back up to about 9 and he started giving those away and he kept one of those.

Mr. Hubert.

He kept all of those at the club?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; they weren't all at the club at one time.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand. What part of the club did he keep the dogs in, no matter how many he had?

Mr. Armstrong.

At the room away at the back--he kept them back there.

Mr. Hubert.

And your job was to feed them?

Mr. Armstrong.

I fed them every day.

Mr. Hubert.

And' he was very strict about that, I take it?

Mr. Armstrong.

He was very strict about it. I would feed the, you know, the little dogs and play with them sometimes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you had any opportunity to observe Jack's attitude toward women?

Mr. Armstrong.

No more than any other man, especially a single man.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, he was not married?

Mr. Armstrong.

No; he was always on the make.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he go out any?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You said he was "on the make."

Mr. Armstrong.

All the time.

Mr. Hubert.

With reference to what kind of women?

Mr. Armstrong.

Intelligent, beautiful.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, do you mean the people who came to the club, or the waitresses?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, some waitresses, some dancers, and some women that he had invited to the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he date any of them?

Mr. Armstrong.

He dated--yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, from him--he told me a few girls he dated, and there were some girls that told me that they dated him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did any of the girls tell you anything about their sexual relationship with him, if any?

Mr. Armstrong.

No.