Mr. Armstrong.

It was like I'll give you an example, which is the best way I can explain it.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Armstrong.

I have seen at times when he would walk up to someone that had the feet out in the aisle and the girls couldn't get by or some man doing something that he didn't have any business, like hitting the girls when they passed by, or something like that, and they would tell Jack--if he was in a certain mood or something was bothering him, he wouldn't go over and say--ask his customers who were spending money in his club, in a nice way not to do' that, he would just hit him on the shoulder like this and say, "Watch it, Buddy, I don't allow that in my place"--you know--real mean like which is something that I never approved of.

Mr. Hubert.

He did that. quite often?

Mr. Armstrong.

Quite often, and that's the way it would happen with any stranger.
Now, if he knew someone, he would always hold off or get someone else to do it. If he knew somebody and they were doing something he didn't like, he would always get me or one of the girls to do it.

Mr. Hubert.

We started off this sequence of questions by your statement that he was always worried and disturbed, I think was the phrase, and you have given me that example. Weren't there some times when he was not?

Mr. Armstrong.

There was very few times when he was not and I always had the feeling that if he had that smile and talking and laughing, if it lasts all night, I always had the feeling that he would still have that worried and disturbed look and expression, later on after the club closed, somewhere after--I don't know--after he got in bed or the next morning or something like that. It never lasted long.

Mr. Hubert.

You got along all right with him, didn't you?

Mr. Armstrong.

We got along--we was always arguing, differences of opinion and things like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he nasty with you?

Mr. Armstrong.

Not--I wouldn't say he was nasty. I would say if I didn't know him--I would say he was nasty. I would say that I would go so far as to say that he was even cruel.

Mr. Hubert.

To you?

Mr. Armstrong.

To me and to a lot of the employees.

Mr. Hubert.

Give us some examples of the cruelty you are speaking of.

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, you could say--we had a speaker in the corner, a high fidelity speaker over in the right-hand corner.

Mr. Hubert.

A loudspeaker?

Mr. Armstrong.

Yes, in the right-hand corner and it had to be turned on individually. It had to turned on or it wouldn't come over the system and it was my job to see that it was turned on every night, and there was times I was too busy and had too many things to do and forgot about it, but not that often, and if he came in--the first thing he checked was the sound. The MC was on stage and if he couldn't hear that box over there, he would come straight to me and it was like I had took half of the club away or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

What would he say or do?

Mr. Armstrong.

Well, he would just get all riled up about that--he would just get all riled up about that one little incident.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say "all riled up," that's your own words of description of what he was doing, but we don't get just what his physical acts were unless you tell us. What is "riled up"? Raising his voice, cursing?

Mr. Armstrong.

Raising his voice.

Mr. Hubert.

Throwing his voice throwing his arms about, hitting people, doing what?

Mr. Armstrong.

No, not hitting people he wouldn't ever hit anyone, but it always the impression that he might. There was always the feeling that he might.

Mr. Hubert.

Did his facial expressions change?

Mr. Armstrong.

Sort of like.