Mr. Smith.

Now I didn't come up the ramp. I came up the steps.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I see. When you came up the steps, you went to the back of the truck?

Mr. Smith.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

So the distance between you and him was the length of the truck plus the distance between the front of your truck to the ramp, plus the width of the ramp and some distance beyond that?

Mr. Smith.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Making a total of, you think, roughly 40 feet or so?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And there he was not alone, but with other people, you thought?

Mr. Smith.

Standing in a crowd.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see that individual any more?

Mr. Smith.

No, sir. Now you see it is hard for me to say that I could identify that man if he were to walk in this room right now, because, as far as I am concerned, I have only seen that face live one time. That is when he came to the window. And seeing somebody in films and all, that is kind of hard to associate.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, did you know Jack Ruby at all?

Mr. Smith.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you have come, of course, to know the face and the man called Jack Ruby?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you see the face of Jack Ruby in person, live, face to face as it were?

Mr. Smith.

Not since; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you associated the face that you have come to know as Jack Ruby from photographs and pictures and so forth, with the man that we have been talking about for the last few minutes?

Mr. Smith.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us how that came about, and when?

Mr. Smith.

The closest that I ever made the association was when we were shown a mug shot, and when I saw that mug shot, it was a straight-on photograph, and it struck me as being the same face as the one in the window.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any spontaneous reaction in that regard?

Mr. Smith.

Well, I was convinced to myself that that was the same man.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you make any observations to anyone to that effect?

Mr. Smith.

No, but Walker did to me.

Mr. Hubert.

At that moment?

Mr. Smith.

A couple of seconds later; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he looking at the mug shot, too?

Mr. Smith.

We were looking at the mug shot on a monitor in the truck. You see, they took the mug shot out of the file upstairs in the City of Dallas Police Department, brought the mug shots out into the corridor and told the TV people they could take stills of it for their own use, and then they would take the mug shot right back to the file, that no one could have it to copy or nything like that.

Mr. Hubert.

So, in other wordS, you simply had the people on the third floor put your camera unit on the mug shot?

Mr. Smith.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And then it came through to your monitor?

Mr. Smith.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you at that moment associate the face that you saw on the mug shots in the monitor with the man that you had seen earlier and which you have described to us?

Mr. Smith.

I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any suggestion to you by Walker, or did you reach that opinion before he said anything?

Mr. Smith.

I had noticed a distinct similarity. Now there is a difference in that, when I saw him, he had on a hat, and that was the only reason that I would not say positively that that is the same man. But there is the only reservation that I have. But I had noticed on my own that there was a tremendous similarity right through here [indicating].