Mr. Griffin.

became aware of how you had found this billfold and the location of the keys?

Mr. Smart.

Do I know what?

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know whether Captain Fritz ever actually became aware of where you had actually found the keys and the billfold?

Mr. Smart.

We carried the stuff to his office and Swain told him that we had the money and his billfold and some things taken out of the car.

Mr. Griffin.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Smart.

I heard him tell Captain Fritz that; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

So it is possible----

Mr. Smart.

So he told these two fellows to take over.

Mr. Griffin.

So, if there were no actual written report of this ever made----

Mr. Smart.

If there is, I imagine Montgomery--I believe it is Montgomery--I could be mistaken--but it is those two guys. I could find out their names.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay, okay; all right; did you talk with Ruby at any time?

Mr. Smart.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you got back to the homicide office, saw Fritz, had Fritz talked with Ruby by then?

Mr. Smart.

I couldn't tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got back to the homicide office, had you been told by anybody how Ruby got into the basement?

Mr. Smart.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Or did you hear any rumor about it?

Mr. Smart.

Oh, I heard rumors; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you--when was the first time that you heard that Ruby had told somebody how he got into the basement?

Mr. Smart.

I am not sure where I heard it, but I heard it--some of the boys talking, said that they heard that he said that he walked by some officers down the ramp.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember which----

Mr. Smart.

They were talking to Sam Pierce.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; and do you remember which of the men you heard----

Mr. Smart.

No, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Making this statement? How would they--would you have heard this on the 24th, on the day that Ruby shot Oswald, or was it sometime later?

Mr. Smart.

I don't remember, Mr. Griffin, now.

Mr. Griffin.

You remember that there were a number of rumors that began circulating right at the beginning, one that he came down the ramp, one that he pushed a TV camera in, another one was that he used a press pass, another one is that he got out of a police car?

Mr. Smart.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, had you heard, are you able to remember whether you have heard, any or all of these rumors on Sunday when you were there?

Mr. Smart.

No, sir; I can't. I just heard them somewhere around there, heard somebody--they weren't talking even to me, I don't think. Just discussing it or something.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me take this off of the record.
(Discussion off of the record.)

Mr. Griffin.

Let's go on the record here. I am also going to mark for identification as Exhibit 5024 a letter that you wrote to Chief Curry on November 27 with respect to what you heard down there in the basement.

Mr. Smart.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to mark it, "Dallas, Tex., Lieutenant Smart, 3-25-64, Exhibit 5024." Now, I want you to look at Exhibit 5021 and Exhibit 5024, and will you tell me if you have read those over?

Mr. Smart.

Yes, sir; I have read those.

Mr. Griffin.

And you have already stated, I believe, as to each one of those that there is nothing that you would add or subtract from that or correct?

Mr. Smart.

No, sir. If I knew something that would help you, I would tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you sign each of those in some place where it is conspicuous and date it?