Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Jack Ruby or a man that you have now come to believe was Jack Ruby or know was Jack Ruby on the 23d or the 24th?

Mr. Richey.

Not on the 23d, but on the 24th, that would be Sunday, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now would you tell us about that.

Mr. Richey.

Well, the man that I think was him and I am positive, pretty sure in my own mind it was, he was just out on the street alongside the truck in front of the building, the city court building.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he in the street in the sense that the place where the automobiles were, or on the sidewalk alongside the building? On the left side of the truck then?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Between the left side of the truck and the building?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Where were you?

Mr. Richey.

I was on top of the truck with a camera.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us what happened.

Mr. Richey.

Well, the time that I saw him was, I would say, in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there any way you fix the time?

Mr. Richey.

Not definitely, because we were busy lining up cameras, and I didn't really pay much attention to the time, but I would say it was somewhere in that neighborhood.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened between the two of you?

Mr. Richey.

Nothing, as far as I was concerned. I just saw him out there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear him say anything?

Mr. Richey.

No, sir; I never did hear him say anything, because it was cold and I had a coat pulled up over my ears.

Mr. Hubert.

How was he dressed?

Mr. Richey.

He had on a sort of grayish topcoat and sort of a gray-looking hat, and he didn't look like, you know, he didn't look very neatly dressed.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have a tie on?

Mr. Richey.

I don't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have an overcoat?

Mr. Richey.

Topcoat; overcoat.

Mr. Hubert.

You think that was about 8 o'clock, in the morning?

Mr. Richey.

The first time I saw him was somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 o'clock. I am not positive.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember how long he stood around there?

Mr. Richey.

Well, I saw him again sometime, I would say, around 10 or a little before 10, and he was down past the ramp this time that goes into the building--basement.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you mean he was down past in the sense that he had progressed ahead of the front of your truck?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir; he was down.

Mr. Hubert.

The Commerce Street entrance was between your truck and him?

Mr. Richey.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there anything that drew your attention to him then?

Mr. Richey.

No; not really.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he dressed in the same way?

Mr. Richey.

At this time he was still dressed the same way. That was the last time I saw him.

Mr. Hubert.

Those two occasions were roughly separated by about 2 hours, you think?

Mr. Richey.

Somewhere around there; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't know it was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Richey.

No; I had no idea. I just thought he was a newsman, because there were several out there walking around, and they moved the people across the street, and he was one of the few that was left.
This person was one of the few that was left out there, and that is one reason I thought he was a newsman, because they weren't bothering the newsmen.