Mr. Hubert.

pictures of Larry Crafard, also known as Curtis LaVern Crafard, and after examining them, she stated that she did not know this man.

Mrs. Pitts.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Hubert.

Do I understand that you say you have never seen him at all?

Mrs. Pitts.

I don't think I have. I don't remember him. He had one young man that stayed there, kind of tall boy. I don't know his name, but I ain't seen him since Mr. Ruby been in jail down here, and he had moved over here on--I believe he was---said it was Freeman's Apartment House, I believe that is where he lived.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his name?

Mrs. Pitts.

I don't know his name.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he live there?

Mrs. Pitts.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

Did he live at the apartment?

Mrs. Pitts.

The apartment--lived there with Ruby for one while.

Mr. Hubert.

How long ago?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, that was back in December. He was a tall, young looking boy.

Mr. Hubert.

That is not the man I Just showed you the picture of?

Mrs. Pitts.

He don't look like him; no. I don't know his name. I seen him there. I seen him one Sunday night. I seen him there and seen him there once before then, but he didn't say too much when he come in that Sunday night. I was getting ready to leave.

Mr. Hubert.

You only saw him twice?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

He was thin, and tall, you say?

Mrs. Pitts.

Well, he wasn't a real thin boy, but he was tall.

Mr. Hubert.

He was tall? How old was he?

Mrs. Pitts.

I don't know Just how old he was.

Mr. Hubert.

What made you think he was living there?

Mrs. Pitts.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

What made you think he was living there?

Mrs. Pitts.

This boy said he was. He was working down there at the club. He told me he was working down there for his room out there.

Mr. Hubert.

Was this a Jewish boy?

Mrs. Pitts.

I don't know. He come from somewhere here and he----

Mr. Hubert.

The Dallas area?

Mrs. Pitts.

I guess and he didn't have no job. He would work there to pay for his room, is what the boy told me, but I didn't pay too much attention to him, because I was getting ready to go.

Mr. Hubert.

You only saw him on two occasions?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Mr. Ruby there when you saw him?

Mrs. Pitts.

Mr. Ruby, come in when I was getting ready to leave, and this boy had some. and I think then he was telling the boy to get ready to go down to the club and I was getting ready to go out the door.

Mr. Hubert.

You fixed that as being in the summertime?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Then the boy left?

Mrs. Pitts.

Yes, sir; he did. I don't know. I guess it was summertime. I don't even know, but it was kind of hot weather. Might have been fall.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he living there at the time Mr. Ruby got in the trouble?

Mrs. Pitts.

Oh, goodness no.

Mr. Hubert.

He had left?

Mrs. Pitts.

He had been gone a long time. That was in the wintertime. I don't even know to tell you how much attention I paid to this boy. I didn't even know him when I come out of the drug store and I said something to one of my middle granddaughters--got a paper and something, and boy turned around and said, "Hello there." And I-looked at him, and then he "Don't you remember me?" And I said, "Oh, yes, I believe I do now." I says, "You was living with Ruby?" And he says, "Yes, I thought sure you'd remember me." And I said, "Yes."