Mr. Evans.

is if we came in Saturday, we would be there Saturday, or Saturday night and run out Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall being at that apartment on November 24, 1963, the Sunday after the President was assassinated?

Mr. Evans.

That was the morning Oswald was shot? Yes, all three of us was there that day.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion that day to see a man by the name of Jack Ruby?

Mr. Evans.

Well, I guess it was him.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, tell us how you----

Mr. Evans.

Well, you see----

Mr. Hubert.

Came to think it was him or guess it was him?

Mr. Evans.

Well, see, the church I have been going to is over in Irving, and they had one, I found out, over there on Marsails, Catholic Church there in Oak Cliff, and I thought they had 10 o'clock mass, but I went and they had a 9 and 11.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Evans.

So, I come back to the apartment at--well, it was just a little bit before 10, and just as I got out of the car a fellow come out of the laundry, and he had his--both hands with laundry in them, and I stepped out of my car, and I kind of waited for him to go on up, and he kind of waited for me.

Mr. Hubert.

How close did you get to him?

Mr. Evans.

Well, we wasn't--right then only about 15 feet, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

How was the man dressed?

Mr. Evans.

He was--had on a T-shirt, pants and T-shirt.

Mr. Hubert.

No hat?

Mr. Evans.

No hat.

Mr. Hubert.

And you said he had some laundry in his hands?

Mr. Evans.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he live in that same apartment house?

Mr. Evans.

Well, I went up the stairs first, and he went up behind me, and we went up the first flight. I figured he lived on the first flight. I didn't know where he lived, so, when we went around and went up the second flight he was right behind me, and I said, "How are you this morning?" And he ignored me like I didn't--well, somebody going along with both arms full of laundry, I would open the door, because he was going up on the same floor, so, when he didn't speak with me, I said, "Well, heck with you." So, I walked on and he went in 207 there.

Mr. Hubert.

He went in apartment 207? Was this laundry he had already clean, or what?

Mr. Evans.

Well, they had a--they've got a washer and dryer in the basement in the apartment.

Mr. Hubert.

He was coming up from the washateria?

Mr. Evans.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he went into apartment 207?

Mr. Evans.

Yes. And, so, I went in. Two buddies were up, so, we ate breakfast and I went back to church at 11.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you had gone to try to catch the 10 o'clock mass?

Mr. Evans.

Yes; but didn't have at 10. Had to go at 11.

Mr. Hubert.

At what time did you leave your apartment?

Mr. Evans.

I left about a quarter of 11.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean the first time?

Mr. Evans.

About a quarter until 10.

Mr. Hubert.

Quarter to 10? And you got there and found out mass was at 9:30?

Mr. Evans.

No; it was 9. Just getting over.

Mr. Hubert.

Just getting over, so you just came on back to the apartment?

Mr. Evans.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long was it between the time you left your apartment and--until the time you got back on the first round when you found out