Mr. Eberhardt.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't understand it, now, when you say that you don't know where Ruby was.

Mr. Eberhardt.

AS soon as Oswald left is when the press conference began, and when Oswald left, they all came running up to the front. There was great disorder. When Oswald left, all of the reporters was at liberty to do what they wished, and they all came up to the front, and I didn't see Jack Ruby after Oswald left.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay. I want you to be an artist here. Can you draw the assembly room?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Okay. Here is the main door. This is the stage back here for a showup.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Eberhardt.

It is raised. All right. And then through here you have an alleyway, a little hallway, and then down through here is a walkway. Now, through here are fixed tables that run length to the wall, stationary, all of the way down, both sides.

Mr. Griffin.

Will you mark those with a "T" or a "Table" or something like that?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Okay. Now, they were all stationary here. Over here is a desk that the showup lieutenant uses.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Eberhardt.

With a microphone here. Now, Oswald was brought in through here. All of the reporters were warned by the chief of police that, if they rushed to the front, he would be taken out and no questions would be asked or answered.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. When Oswald came in there, where did he get planted?

Mr. Eberhardt.

He came up to the center of the stage.

Mr. Griffin.

Put an "X" or a circle.

Mr. Eberhardt.

He would be there.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you write "Oswald" there?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Okay.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there people on either side of Oswald?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Yes; I was on this side.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, the people, there weren't other prisoners but there were other detectives?

Mr. Eberhardt.

All of the way to the desk, all of the way to the door. Of course, I couldn't see too much over here.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Will you put an "X" where you were standing?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Right about here.

Mr. Griffin.

And would you mark your initials or something there? Okay. Now, were there any people in between you?

Mr. Eberhardt.

This way?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Eberhardt.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Between you two. How many officers were there?

Mr. Eberhardt.

The best I remember, two.

Mr. Griffin.

Will you put two little circles in there?

Mr. Eberhardt.

I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Two "X's." Okay.

Mr. Eberhardt.

Now, they left some cameramen up here in front of this table, see.

Mr. Griffin.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Eberhardt.

And they were lined up all through in here. They were in the kneeling position.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay. You are indicating, in between. the tables where you and Oswald were, why there were a bunch of news photographers?

Mr. Eberhardt.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And they were all there in----

Mr. Eberhardt.

Aisleway, all news photographers.

Mr. Griffin.

That leads to the back of the room.