Mr. Riggs.

say, I couldn't verify to say that it was closed or it was open, because actually, I did not check it, but----

Mr. Hubert.

You knew normally that it is closed?

Mr. Riggs.

It is closed, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And it locks so that you can't get in?

Mr. Riggs.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, what about the entrance to the building, that entrance and exit to the building, that leads to the alleyway?

Mr. Riggs.

The heavy back door back there?

Mr. Hubert.

There is a back door back there, isn't there?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, does that door remain open, or closed, or what?

Mr. Riggs.

Well, it remains closed, too.

Mr. Hubert.

Closed all the time?

Mr. Riggs.

All the time. We usually keep a key on the elevator that will open the back door.

Mr. Hubert.

The door that goes to the alley?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir; that goes into this alley, but it will not open either the front door or the Harwood side or Main side.

Mr. Hubert.

That key is kept on a ring in the elevator?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, to go from the main floor of the municipal building, that is, from the first floor to that alleyway, you have to go through the service elevator, don't you?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And the service elevator has two doors?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

One that opens up on the Main Street corridor of the municipal building, and the other one that opens up on a corridor and leads to the backdoor that leads to the alleyway?

Mr. Riggs.

To the alleyway.

Mr. Hubert.

And the key to that back door is in the elevator?

Mr. Riggs.

On the elevator, yes, sir. Now, there is another way, too, on the first floor that you can go down the stairway and go to the basement from the the first floor.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that the fire escape?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And that is never closed?

Mr. Riggs.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

So that if anybody is on the first floor they can get into the basement by using the fire escape, or using the elevator?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, besides the service elevator that we already talked about, the one that has two doors, there are two other elevators on that floor?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir; but they usually cut off. They don't have but one elevator, and call it the freight elevator, the one that runs over the weekend.

Mr. Hubert.

The other two were closed?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

They were closed that day?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir; they were cut off.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, now, I think you were saying that Mr. Servance opened the Commerce Street door, is that correct?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

If you will, tell us about that.

Mr. Riggs.

Well, after we left from the basement and went to the first floor, he opened the door on the Commerce Street side, and we stood up there between the two doors, approximately, I'd say 45 minutes to an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say between the two doors, you mean that on Commerce Street there is an outside door, and a sort of a vestibule, and then inside doors?

Mr. Riggs.

Yes.