Mr. Pierce.

which is the one right here [indicating], and see if anything was taking place.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, now.

Mr. Pierce.

Because at that time when the officers out there told us that we could not remain outside we would have to step back inside and close the doors, that is where we were. I wanted to finish that part of it so that you would understand about the door being unlocked, because I was there at the time.

Mr. Hubert.

And that is all you have to say about that?

Mr. Pierce.

I think that it is pretty well covered in here.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; I think so, too.

Mr. Pierce.

Other than the actual time the door was locked after we left that area, but it was after he had been shot, and had it all----

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know Jack Ruby?

Mr. Pierce.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You have seen pictures of him, of course, since?

Mr. Pierce.

I have many times since.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him around anywhere on November 24?

Mr. Pierce.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Or any other date prior to the shooting?

Mr. Pierce.

No other date did I see, him. As a matter of--I imagine at the time, because there were so many, and I hadn't seen any--I didn't even know he existed, and in the crowd of people that were there, it is very possible that he might have been in the group that I saw as I worked back and forth, but he could have been there, but I didn't know.

Mr. Hubert.

But, you have no----

Mr. Pierce.

Nothing but hearsay to the effect that he was there from time to time. It developed later that he had been in the building there several times.

Mr. Hubert.

But, you don't know that from your own knowledge at all.

Mr. Pierce.

I do not know it, and even at that time I wouldn't have known him if I would have seen him because I didn't know he existed much less what he looked like.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, one other area I would like to explore, there is an area called the subbasement, is there not?

Mr. Pierce.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

That is below the----

Mr. Pierce.

It is immediately----

Mr. Hubert.

Below the actual basement used for parking area?

Mr. Pierce.

That is this area.

Mr. Hubert.

In the city hall.

Mr. Pierce.

Right here.

Mr. Hubert.

In that subbasement you have all your actual machinery?

Mr. Pierce.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it possible to get into the subbasement from the outside on Commerce Street?

Mr. Pierce.

On a weekend, normally; no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

There is a door, though?

Mr. Prunes.

There is a door that connects the subbasement with the staircase that leads to the sidewalk on Commerce Street.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Pierce.

Now, that door is normally locked on weekends.

Mr. Hubert.

Always locked on weekends.

Mr. Pierce.

Unless, inadvertently, someone left it open. It is supposed to be and it is all the time when I am on duty, it is locked. Because I don't want any----

Mr. Hubert.

Was it locked November 24, all the time?

Mr. Pierce.

It was locked.

Mr. Hubert.

You were in charge of it, and you say that it was locked?

Mr. Pierce.

Yes. Now, with this reservation being that the head porter, our--Mr. Servance, also has a key to that door, because the porters' quarters, their locker room area and quarters, what we refer to as quarters generally is on the outside of that door in the police and courts building proper, and to get to it--