Mr. Hubert.

When you heard that, what did you do?

Mr. Hulse.

I knew that she had already ordered an ambulance. I knew 605 had just cleared from a previous call. Best I can remember I asked her what ambulance was going, what ambulance had been ordered and she told me 607.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Hulse.

I knew that 605 would probably be closer to the basement, and I disregarded 607, and ordered 605 on the air.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, now, how did you know that 605 was nearby?

Mr. Hulse.

When he heard the call come out on the shooting in the basement, the best I can remember, he told me he was probably closer to the basement than 607.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say that you were in radio communication with 605?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Ambulance 605?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he heard the call for ambulance 607?

Mr. Hulse.

I am not positive whether he heard---no, he never did dispatch 607 at all. It was handled through the telephone by Mrs. Cason, but he knew that there was an ambulance needed for this shooting victim, and he told me he would probably be closer.

Mr. Hubert.

Than the other?

Mr. Hulse.

Than any ambulance. I'm not sure whether he said that he would be closer than 607, but he said closer to the basement than any other ambulance.

Mr. Hubert.

Isn't it a fact that you had heard ambulance 605, on channel 1, announcing to his own company just shortly before this all happened that he was clear and that you remembered that he was clear and was going back towards his company?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes; that is correct. He had just cleared from a previous call, and was en route back to the company, which I presume he would be in the immediate downtown vicinity.

Mr. Hubert.

And isn't that the reason why you then, realized that 605 had just cleared, as you had heard him clear over your radio, and you realized that he was closer, and that is why you called 605?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes; plus that he told me that he would probably be closer himself, on the radio.

Mr. Hubert.

I would like you to look at Exhibit 5135 and tell us what portion of that card is written in your hand?

Mr. Hulse.

Just the squad number, which I first dispatched to squad 108. He was on another assignment, so I dispatched it then to 118.

Mr. Hubert.

So, that the column, or block which there is printed the word, "Squad assigned is 108," and it appears to be scratched out and immediately above it is "118," is that right?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes; that's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

All in your handwriting?

Mr. Hulse.

All that.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I notice that there is printed on that card by what apparently is a timeclock two figures, "time dispatched C-11:22, November 24," would you explain what you had to do with that, if anything?

Mr. Hulse.

The time dispatched, the time that it is explained here, 11:22, November 24, is the time that I actually dispatched the call to 108, and then finding out he was on another assignment, I dispatched it also to 118.

Mr. Hubert.

Below there there is a block called, "time clear, 1:49 p.m., November 24," would you explain that, please?

Mr. Hulse.

That is the time that squad 118 cleared from the assignment.

Mr. Hubert.

And they advised you of that and you put the card the timeclock, is that right?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, this Exhibit 5135, was actually prepared by Mrs. Cason, was it not?

Mr. Hulse.

Yes; it was.