Mr. Hubert.

You went down to the door of the lineup room ?

Mr. Stevenson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall looking in at all?

Mr. Stevenson.

Yes, I could look in through the open door.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see a man since identified as Jack Ruby, in that room?

Mr. Stevenson.

Oh, no sir; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear him say anything?

Mr. Stevenson.

No, sir. Frankly, I was not close enough. The only ones that I could see or did see were those lined up in the front of the room.

Mr. Hubert.

How many people were in that room, do you suppose?

Mr. Stevenson.

I Would say, and this is an estimate on my part, Mr. Hubert--I would say from 100 to 125, including officers and news media and everything.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what security plan or actual operations were put into effect with respect to Oswald during that period?

Mr. Stevenson.

When he left upstairs, he was taken back through the jail office. From the jail office down, there is an elevator to the downstairs jail office, onto the "showup stage," as we call it in the assembly room. He was taken down through the jail; was not taken out from there. Now to take him into the showup room, I was not where I could see how many officers were around him. But it was necessary to bring him from the elevator next to the homicide bureau every time we brought him down to interview him. At that time we would have as many as three officers with him,-and from four to half a dozen officers on the route through to the next door.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what check was made of the people who were allowed into the assembly room?

Mr. Stevenson.

No one was supposed to have been in the assembly room or on the third floor except news media properly identified.

Mr. Hubert.

How was this established?

Mr. Stevenson.

We had officers at the elevators and the stairways with instructions that unless they were an official or connected with an official news media, they were not to be permitted on that floor unless they had business one of the other bureaus, and the officer was to escort him to that bureau. We later eliminated as much of that as we could that night by calling the jail' office. If he wanted to visit some prisoner at the jail, the jail personnel called the bureau and were instructed as to whether a pass would be permitted.

Mr. Hubert.

But do you know whether or not, as these newsmen and the rest of the other news media went into the assembly room for this lineup, whether they were checked in any way again upon entering?

Mr. Stevenson.

No, sir; I don't, because when I went down to the basement, they were already in the room. In other words, they had already filed into the room.

Mr. Hubert.

What else do you know in general terms about the security of Oswald when he was in the cell? I think you have already covered when he was being moved?

Mr. Stevenson.

Yes; there was a guard on his cell at all times, and at sometimes there were as many as two, but around the clock a guard was placed outside his cell door. He was not permitted to converse with other prisoners. In fact, he was placed in a cell where it would be impossible for other prisoners to get to him.
For the arraignment in the murder of the President, he was brought from the jail into the identification bureau, where there is a barred door coming in to identification room from jail. He was not brought back through the Police and Courts Building proper. He was brought directly from the jail into the identification bureau when he was arraigned.

Mr. Hubert.

I think that takes us then to 12:30 on Saturday. You were on duty until 12:30 a.m. on Saturday?

Mr. Stevenson.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you come back to duty thereafter?

Mr. Stevenson.

I came back to the city hall Saturday evening about 7 or 7:15, and went immediately to the homicide bureau to check on any further developments, and was advised that the case was building stronger, other