I realize that nobody would have known about the particular contents of the conversation, but what I am getting at is, is there any reason that somebody might have said at this point he knew you were going to have to make a move, you'd better dispatch the men in ? You'd better send out a general call to bring in more men?
Chief BATCHELOR. This would have been handled in a telephone conversation with the dispatcher, yet nobody would know the real reason for it. Talbert did have some men called in. He did have some men called in.

Mr. Griffin.

How did Talbert come to make this call in relation to the conversation ?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't know, unless he was anticipating. Well, I don't know how to say it. It had gotten on the radio and in the newspapers and everywhere else that this was going to be at 10 o'clock, I presume, because there was people all up and down the street, across the street from the city hall on Commerce waiting for this thing to happen.

Mr. Griffin.

Were they waiting there when you came in at 8 o'clock?
Chief BATCHELOR. Oh, there wasn't anybody there that early, but they were down there around 10 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you think of anything that might have happened in the ordinary course of things after Decker and Curry talked, that would have been recorded in the police department?
Chief BATCHELOR. About the movement of the prisoner ?

Mr. Griffin.

No. I am particularly referring to the movement of the prisoner, but I am thinking of something that might pinpoint the time in which this conversation with Decker occurred, that Curry might have said at this point, "All .right, Stevenson, bring in so many men," and Stevenson would have told the dispatcher to send out a call, and nobody would have known the purpose of the call, but it would fix a time ?
Chief BATCHELOR. Stevenson went back after we determined we were going to have to secure the basement and move the prisoner. He went back to his bureau and had them send some men down there, some detectives.
He didn't have to call them from the field. He had them back there. Talbert sent out and got some men, and I don't know whose direction he did that on, but we went down there to see what manpower we would need. And when we got there, he had them there, and where he got this information, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Now after you talked with Fleming the first time, what did you do? After you finished that telephone conversation?
Chief BATCHELOR. We went downstairs and that is when we had instructed them--it was Wiggins, I believe, in the Jail office, to get that camera out of there. And we instructed them--Curry went down with us, too, and there were two cars sitting across from the jail exit door. They were sitting in these places right here.

Mr. Griffin.

You want to take a pen and mark?
Chief BATCHELOR. And we had these cars moved [marking on exhibit].

Mr. Griffin.

What time of the morning would you estimate that was?
Chief BATCHELOR. This must have been about 9:30 or 9:15, somewhere along in there.

Mr. Griffin.

You want to mark what you think the approximate time was in between the two cars where you marked? Chief BATCHELOR. [Indicates time.]

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any other cars in the basement area at that time?
Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; there was several other cars. Chief Curry's car was over here, and mine was over here.

Mr. Griffin.

That is in the chief's normal parking place?
Chief BATCHELOR. These all are our normal spaces.

Mr. Griffin.

You want to mark those in there?
Chief BATCHELOR. [Marks.] Mine is over here, and I don't know whether Chief Fisher was in there or not. I don't remember his.

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