unknown police reservist told him that he had observed, or admitted Ruby into the basement of the city hall, and that Ruby had presented press credentials.

Mr. Hubert.

Well.---
Lieutenant REVILL. Well, what we did, we have photographs of all of the police reserve, and Holly could not identify anyone as being this officer, or reserve officer.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did this take place, that is to say, where was Holly shown these pictures?
Lieutenant REVILL. In the city hall, in the special services bureau.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you say that when Holly was interviewed he was interviewed by Captain Solomon?
Lieutenant REVILL. Well, Holly was interviewed by Captain Solomon, and both Lieutenant Cornwall and I.

Mr. Hubert.

All at once?
Lieutenant REVILL. No; see what happened, Holly came to us with his story. Well, we jumped on it because there might be something to it, so I called Captain Solomon, who has access to all of the records and photographs of the reserve officers, and he brought them to the special services bureau in the city hall. Holly was unable to identify this officer. We talked to Captain Arnett, who is a reserve captain, and both Solomon and Arnett were of the opinion that Holly might be fabricating this thing.

Mr. Hubert.

Now; what did Holly say
Lieutenant REVILL. Holly

Mr. Hubert.

That this reserve officer told him?
Lieutenant REVILL That he had seen Ruby in the basement of the city hall, and that Ruby had presented press credentials to someone in the basement of the city hall. We were never able to locate this reserve officer.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Holly tell you that a reserve officer, possibly the same one, possibly another, had told him that he had seen Ruby coming down the ramp, Main Street ramp, and just about a minute before the shooting?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; Holly did not say that to me. I found a reserve officer who was present in the basement of the city hall who saw some individual coming down the ramp, the Main Street ramp.
He could not identify this person as being Ruby. As you said, approximately a minute or minute and a half after the shooting--I mean, prior to the shooting. Have you got a.

Mr. Hubert.

I don't want to suggest anything to you, but to assist you, tell me if you don't recognize the name, Officer Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. I believe that it is Newman. I can show you. You--he was assigned

Mr. Hubert.

Did you interview Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Newman said that he had not recognized Jack Ruby?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; he did not recognize the man coming down the ramp, and the distance involved, I can readily see why he could not identify him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Newman mention to you in your interview that as a matter of fact, there were two people he saw in the basement area. One, a man coming down the ramp about a minute before the shooting, and another person who jumped the rail down there from the parking area into the ramp on the Main Street side, but that he could not identify either ?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that, as to the man jumping the rail he didn't know whether it was before the shooting or after.
Lieutenant REVILL. The man that he is making reference to jumping over the rail was an electrician, and this was prior to the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

Was this Chabot? [Spelling] (C-h-a-b-o-t?
Lieutenant REVILL. Tommy Chabot, I believe he is a mechanic.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he, Newman, identify him as such?
Lieutenant REVILL. Newman did not identify him as such, nor did he identify the man running down the ramp.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I can understand then that when he saw the man running

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