Mr. Hubert.

Did you see him, that is to say, Jack Ruby, in your rounds of the basement any time, from the shooting of the President until the shooting of Oswald ?
Captain JONES. To recognize him as such, I did not see him to recognize him then. And after seeing him at the time of the arrest, I did not recall having seen him even as a face in the crowd prior to that.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say that now with the consideration after having been told that it was Jack Ruby and recognizing him, you still don't remember having seen---
Captain JONES. I did not see that particular man in there, and not having recognized him, I don't recall seeing that face, at any time. This is with the full knowledge that since this matter I have found that one of my own men filed a simple assault case on him about a year ago, but I wasn't aware of that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know of any plans that had been made at that time for the transportation of Oswald, prior to leaving to go home on Saturday night, the 23d of November?
Captain JONES. That is one of the questions that I am going to have to say that things have come up that during my investigation that I headed following the shooting of Oswald, by Ruby--that I headed a team of several lieutenants, and one detective investigating the security in the basement--and I have some knowledge as a result of that investigation, that no one came to me and told me about the possible transfer, or--possible transfer, or any plans for a transfer prior to me going home Saturday night.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware that the plan was not to transfer Oswald until at least 10 o'clock on Sunday morning?
Captain JONES. It seems to me as if possibly there was something about that in my mind, but I can't tell you where I got it, but there was some talk around there. I don't know whether the time was 10 o'clock, or 9 o'clock, and since that time I have talked to people that said, "I don't know," but it does seem to me that I was under the impression that when I got up Sunday morning that if I got down there before 9 o'clock, he possibly would not have been transferred by that time, but so help me, I cannot think--I cannot say how that I knew that.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me put it to you another way. Were you given any specific duty to perform or anything relative to the transfer whenever that would take place?
Captain JONES. You mean prior to that 11 o'clock, when I was sent to the basement?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; prior to Saturday night.
Captain JONES. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Prior to leaving on Saturday night
Captain JONES. In fact, I was told that if I wanted to go on my fishing trip, I could go.

Mr. Hubert.

So, then you got back at what time?
Captain JONES. I would say somewhere roughly around 9 o'clock, couldn't have been much after that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you do anything between 9 and, say, 10 o'clock?
Captain JONES. Yes, sir; I sure did.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us what you did.
Captain JONES. I was answering the telephone, and I can't recall specific things. It was just things that come up that needed doing right then. Getting calls

Mr. Hubert.

Let me ask you the same question I asked about the other period. Were you given any specific duties to do, or specific functions as to supervising concerning the transfer of Oswald during this period of 9 to, say, 11
o'clock, or roughly 11 o'clock, on the 24th?
Captain JONES. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you simply answering the phone?
Captain JONES. I came in and started answering the phone, and started doing whatever appeared necessary for me to do.

Mr. HUBERT. What then happened next?
Captain JONES. Well, that went on for almost 2 hours or somewhere near