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(Testimony of Patrick Trevore Dean)
Mr. Griffin.
Is there any kind of record that you would have maintained, or the police department would have maintained, that would give us some better way of fixing that time?
Mr. Dean.
No, sir; not that I know of.
Mr. Griffin.
Dispatchers? Did you call the dispatcher to tell them you were coming back?
Mr. Dean.
No, sir; now, it was about 2 when I was talking--or had taken Mrs. Oswald in to view Lee, and I left then, somewhere around 2. So I got back to the station, maybe around 2:25 or 2:30, so when I told Lieutenant Pierce about it, it should have been somewhere around, maybe 3, or the first time I saw him.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, did you, after coming back and talking with Pierce, make any further efforts or make any effort to talk with people who you had assigned in the basement, or who you knew were working in the basement, concerning the security of the basement?
Mr. Dean.
Yes, sir; I did ask Nelson could he say for sure that this man didn't come through his post, and he said he could say for sure that he didn't
come through the police and court building, Nelson's post.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, when did you talk with Nelson
Mr. Dean.
This was, I am sure, when I got back--probably when I got back from the hospital. I don't recall. It might have been before I went. - This was my main thought, as to how the man got into the basement.
Mr. Griffin.
Did you call Vaughn at that time?
Mr. Dean.
No, sir; I asked him, just as I asked the others, had this man come through, because I knew the focal point was going to be on Vaughn, and I knew the investigation was going to be on Vaughn.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, did you talk with Vaughn that afternoon ?
Mr. Dean.
It seems that Lieutenant Pierce and I talked to him, and I think Captain Talbert was there. It was up on the second floor. It seems that we did talk to him that day, asked him did he have any knowledge of how he got into the basement. Captain Talbert was doing most of the questioning. I told Lieutenant Pierce and Captain Talbert what Ruby had told me, and from this he was questioning Vaughn.
Now, I think this was in the afternoon and Vaughn was scheduled to be off the next day, and Captain Talbert told him he better come on into work the next day, for the purpose, I assumed, of more investigation.
Mr. Griffin.
How about Nelson, when was Nelson talked to
Mr. Dean.
Well now, I talked to Nelson myself. I don't know. I am sure that somebody else did too, but I don't know.
Mr. Griffin.
Was that before or after you talked with Vaughn?
Mr. Dean.
I don't remember.
Mr. Griffin.
And where did that conversation with Nelson take place?
Mr. Dean.
He was still on his post when I talked to him. Of course, this--whether it was before I went to the hospital or--I am sure that it probably was before I went to the hospital, that I asked Nelson could he say for certain that this man hadn't come by him, and he said yes. And then I asked Patterson, all of them; Patterson, Nelson, Vaughn, stated the man did not come by their post, but I--the focal would be on Vaughn, since I had been told that that's where Ruby came in, by Ruby himself.
Mr. Griffin.
Well now, Nelson gave a statement---
VOICE. Excuse me.
Mr. Griffin.
Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Griffin.
Nelson was interviewed by the Bureau Federal Bureau of Investigation on December 4, and the Bureau indicates that he told them, and this is the Bureau's language and not his, talking about his post, he said the other officer assigned there with him was a reserve officer whose name he does not know. He was there for Just 3 or 4 minutes, when Sergeant Putnam told them to station themselves just behind the first Jail office window, for people were coming in, in regard to jail office business, such as. seeing prisoners. They were instructed not to let any unauthorized' persons through the door or ramp leading into the basement.
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