Mr. Dean.

I don't know of any door that leads up into the----the stairway?

Mr. Griffin.

There is a stairway----

Mr. Dean.

That goes down into the subbasement?

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, over where the elevators arc

Mr. Dean.

Oh, Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

You know what I am talking about?

Mr. Dean.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who checked that door ?

Mr. Dean.

Sergeant Putnam checked it once and I checked it once and it was locked.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know at the time you checked it that even though the door was locked from the outside, it could be opened from the inside?

Mr. Dean.

[No response.]

Mr. Griffin.

Let me state this again. Even though the door would be locked from the garage side, that from the stairway side it would be unlocked; were you aware of that?

Mr. Dean.

I believe we asked the maintenance man about this, and I believe he locked it so as it couldn't be unlocked from either side unless they had a key. I believe Sergeant Putnam called this to the maintenance man's attention, and I recall being there at the time they were discussing it, and I think at that time the maintenance man locked the door so it couldn't be unlocked from either side other than with a key.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall the name of this maintenance man?

Mr. Dean.

No, sir; I don't know. I didn't know his name to start with. However, I did know he was the maintenance man, by sight.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you get ahold of this maintenance man?

Mr. Dean.

Sergeant Putnam, I believe, had gotten--or had thought about this and asked him, or he had gotten in touch with him some way.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this at the same time you had the 13 men in the garage searching, or at some later time?

Mr. Dean.

This was during the search.

Mr. Griffin.

And do you know where this maintenance man was located

Mr. Dean.

NO, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

When Putnam found him?

Mr. Dean.

I don't. I do know I sent for him one time, or had an officer to go page the maintenance man to meet me, to have him unlock this door in question, that I thought---or I wanted it opened so I could see in it, to see if it was a service elevator or what. I had never seen that door opened before.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you make any inquiries about the passenger elevators?

Mr. Dean.

Coming into the garage portion?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Dean.

Yes; they were operating at the time. I think there were two colored boys that were operating the elevators, and we told them not to come down to the basement for any reason. And we posted Brock there at the elevators.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, so that we understand what we are talking about, my recollection is that there is another elevator that's a service elevator also?

Mr. Dean.

Yes, sir. This was the one that was operating, primarily, that morning.

Mr. Griffin.

I think we can help things out here somewhat. This is a diagram of the basement area, and I am going to mark this "Dallas, Tex., Sergeant Dean, March 24, 1964, Exhibit 5007."
Now, making reference, Sergeant, to this particular diagram here, at the time you. searched the garage, it is my understanding that what's marked on here as elevators Nos. 1 and 2 were operable, that there were some colored boys in there, or somebody who was operating those elevators?

Mr. Dean.

No. I believe those were not in operation, Nos. 1 and 2. The service elevator was, I do know. There was the parking attendant, a colored boy, and he sits here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you put a mark on that diagram there, make it an X?

Mr. Dean.

All right [indicating].