Mr. Archer.

don't remember' the date. I wish I could, but I didn't make any particular note of it. Like I say, at the time, I just didn't take note of it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, do you mean to say to me that you did not regard those two statements made to you by Ruby as being important in a trial of this man for first-degree murder?

Mr. Archer.

No, sir; I didn't say that I didn't regard them as important. I Just say at the time that these statements were made it was in my mind that it was not necessarily a gathering of facts to try the man.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I gather from your testimony that you didn't convey this information to anybody at all until you were asked to do so in an interview with Mr. Alexander, which, from your testimony, I judge to be approximately the middle of January or afterwards, which is to say, 2 months after the event.

Now, I ask you if you did not think that that information was extremely valuable information in a pending prosecution for first-degree murder?

Mr. Archer.

I didn't, at the time, give it a thought in the way of prosecution, because in my own mind I didn't feel that a lot of the statements would be admissible. I don't know what would be admissible and what wouldn't.

Mr. Hubert.

It never occurred to you that it was your duty to tell your superior officer, or somebody that you had heard that this man said, "I meant to kill him"?

Mr. Archer.

No, sir; it didn't. Had they inquired about it, I certainly would have told them.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, have you anything else to say, sir.

Mr. Archer.

No, sir; not unless there is something more you would like to ask me. If I can relate, or tell you anything, I would be happy to.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you have not been interviewed by any member of the Commission or by me, before, have you? That is to say, a member of the President's Commission, on the assassination?

Mr. Archer.

Not the President's Commission. I have been interviewed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which you know about.

Mr. Hubert.

But no interview by me or any other member of the Commission staff?

Mr. Archer.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

This deposition is the first time you have said anything to any member of the Commission staff?

Mr. Archer.

Yes, sir; so far as I know.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. That's all. Thank you, sir.

Barnard S. Clardy

Testimony of Barnard S. Clardy

The testimony of Barnard S. Clardy was taken at 2:45 p.m., on March 24, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Hubert.

This is the deposition of Detective Barnard (spelling) B-a-r-n-a-r-d?

Mr. Clardy.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Middle initial S. Clardy. Auto Theft Bureau, Criminal Investigation Division, Police Department of Dallas. Mr. Clardy, my name is Leon D. Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. Under the provisions of the Executive Order No. 11130 dared November 29, 1963, the Joint resolution of Congress Number 137, and the rules of procedure adopted by the Commission in conformance with the Executive order and the Joint resolution, I have been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you, Detective Clardy.
I state to you now that, the general nature of the Commission's inquiry is to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relating to the assassination