Mr. Hubert.

on that second page I notice that is a photostatic copy and--the signature, is. that yours?

Mr. Watson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, then, would you sign your name below mine on the document marked Exhibit 51037 Now, I show you a document purporting to be a report by FBI Agent Scott of an interview of you which took place, apparently, on November 25, 1963, and for the purposes of identification, I have marked that document in the right-hand margin with the following inscription, to wit: "Dallas, Tex., March 26, 1964. Exhibit 5104. Deposition of J. C. Watson. Leon D. Hubert, Jr." I wonder if you would sign below my name so as the record may show that we are talking about the same document?

Mr. Watson.

This is the one?

Mr. Hubert.

You are going to have an opportunity to make the correction. Just for the purpose of identification put your name on it. Now, as to this document, which has now been signed by both of us and identified as 5104, I believe you have some comments to make?

Mr. Watson.

I believe I thought it was, main letter, but it was my second letter that states that I only saw Jack Ruby one time and the FBI letter taken from it where they show that I had saw him on several occasions. I only saw him one time. We went in there and stayed 10 or 15 minutes. I think we had a cup of coffee and sat and talked to him a little bit, and that is the only occasion I have seen the man before I saw him in the basement after the shooting.

Mr. Hubert.

How long before the shooting did that

Mr. Watson.

I'd say 3 to 4 years, in my estimate. I would say 2 to 4 years. I couldn't be sure. It has been a long time.

Mr. Hubert.

When you did see him, did you recognize him?

Mr. Watson.

No, sir; I believe I would have recognized him in his place and I did recognize him after the shooting only because I saw two or three people call his name. Then I did recognize him.

Mr. Hubert.

If you will step over here and have a look at this mockup here on the basement area, generally familiarize yourself with it, there is the jail office, and that is the jail elevator, the corridor entrance, the swinging door, the corridor outside the swinging door. There is the fiat part of the ramp. There are the two inclines back there. This is the parking area and that is the ramp coming from the parking area to the ramp between Main and Commerce. I have also here a chart which I have marked for purposes of identification, "Dallas, Tex., March 26, 1964. Exhibit 5105, deposition of J. C. Watson." And I have put below it my name and I will ask you to sign your name so that the record may show that we are talking about the same document. Now, looking at the mockup first, I would like you to show me on the mockup where you were standing at the time of the shooting, and if you had changed positions from the time you first went in there indicate that so that we can mark the several positions that you might have been in.

Mr. Watson.

I took a position--you want it here, or over here?

Mr. Hubert.

I want you to fix it.

Mr. Watson.

Generally right here [indicating]. And I had more or less, until we Just previous to the time they brought Oswald down, I did take a point near this corner, out somewhere, a point about like this [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am marking--is this right? Right here?

Mr. Watson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I am marking a circle.

Mr. Watson.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

At the spot which you have indicated on the mockup?

Mr. Watson.

That is the general place.

Mr. Hubert.

The general place.

Mr. Watson.

More or less milling around from there over to here, 5 or 6 feet until right at the

Mr. Hubert.

The position I have marked with the circle is the position you were in at the time of the shooting, is that right?

Mr. Watson.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I have written on the map, "Position of J. C. Watson at time of shooting," and I have encircled it and connected it with a line into the circle