Mr. Vaughn.

actually explain it to you, but I went up to the civil service board when I got my efficiency and checked to see who, of course, they keep a record of anybody that changes your efficiency. My efficiency was changed by Chief Fisher. It was cut from a 90 to an 86 and on one particular phase of how they grade on dependability.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ascertain that that efficiency cut was done because the Ruby incident?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, I didn't think--I thought possibly it was over the Ruby incident and I went and talked to one of my supervisors and I didn't feel that I should have had a cut on my efficiency under the circumstances but the point to me--there has--they have never actually proved that Jack came in that way.

Mr. Hubert.

When you spoke to this officer, your superior officer about the fact that you didn't think you should be cut, what did he say?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, he said he didn't know what I was cut for.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was that, by the way, what is his name?

Mr. Vaughn.

I believe that was Sergeant Jennings, if I'm not mistaken.

Mr. Hubert.

You know you talked to Fisher about

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, I was going to see Chief Fisher, as a matter of fact I got the lieutenant to talk to Chief Fisher and he told Chief Fisher that I did want to see .him, and at that time Chief Fisher was involved in some other kind of business he had--I don't know exactly what it was, but he was busy. Then Lieutenant Pierce told me that I shouldn't go see Fisher at this time. He said, "If you will wait, I will talk to Fisher."

Mr. Hubert.

By the way, this efficiency cut, is that on the basis of a year or a month or what?

Mr. Vaughn.

Six months.

Mr. Hubert.

And this was made about January 1, I guess ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes, sir; I think the efficiency ends in the month of January.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Rio Pierce ever report back to you as to whether he had spoken to Fisher or not?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes, I talked to Lieutenant Pierce, I believe it was a couple of weeks ago, and he said it was the first opportunity he had had a chance to talk to Chief Fisher, and my understanding I got from him was that Chief Fisher said it was for letting Tom Chabot in the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

In other-words, you got the impression from Pierce, that the efficiency cut was not related to the Ruby incident, but rather to the Chabot incident?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes; to Chabot.

Mr. Hubert.

I think we need a bit more information as to the severity of this cut. Could you give us examples of what point cut they give for what?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, you might get I or 2 points--I've seen them get cut as high as 13 points.

Mr. Hubert.

For what?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, just for different things.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, what would be---what would a four cut be the result of?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, normally a 4 point cut wouldn't be too severe, because actually--well, I had a 90. I got cut 4 points---I got an 86, which is still a fairly good efficiency, but to me, like I said, under the circumstances and the things I felt it was severe because I didn't quite understand it--that was the point on that.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, were you in the police building on the 23d---the day before?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes, sir; I was there in and out.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby then?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you in the police building on the 22d of November?

Mr. Vaughn.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ruby around there then ?

Mr. Vaughn.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you happen to go to that assembly when Oswald was brought down to see the press?