Mr. Vaughn.

He was a great big fellow. Now, I would say he was in the middle twenties or late twenties.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say to you he wanted to see Ruby ?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir--who he actually walked up and asked for--he walked up and I overheard the conversation, if I recall, with one of the reserve officers--they had sent some reserve officers up before that time to help with the traffic and the crowd and I overheard the conversation--he said he was an employee of Jack Ruby's. When I heard that.--we was all standing around there I went and asked him and he asked me if lieutenant, let me see, I don't remember the lieutenant's name he asked me if there was some lieutenant there and I told him I didn't know. He said, "Well, I am an employee of Jack Ruby's," and he said, "I would like to talk to lieutenant--" I believe he said Cunningham--I'm not real sure I'm not positive now. Anyway, I asked him then what the deal was and he said, "He just needed to talk to him," and I felt possibly--by that time I had found out actually that Jack Ruby had shot him, and I felt possibly maybe someone wanted to talk to him, and a reserve relieved me on the entrance of the ramp and I went and took this man to the information desk in the basement and I called the homicide bureau and told Detective Boyd--I don't recall if he is the one that answered the phone, but I told whoever it was what the circumstances was, and Detective Boyd come down to the basement and he started searching this man and I helped him search him for any kind of a concealed weapon he might have and I turned him over to him and I left. I don't
know the man's name, but he said he was an employee of Jack's.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he a heavy man, you say ?

Mr. Vaughn.

He was quite a big man.

Mr. Hubert.

How old would he be?

Mr. Vaughn.

I would say he was in the middle twenties or late twenties.

Mr. Hubert.

What sort of complexion did he have and how was he dressed?

Mr. Vaughn.

I believe he had on a sportcoat and a pair of slacks.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his complexion?

Mr. Vaughn.

Well, he was fair.

Mr. Hubert.

How tall was he?

Mr. Vaughn.

Oh, he was about 6 foot 3 or 4---he was a tall man, but I believe he was heavier.

Mr. Hubert.

Heavier than who?

Mr. Vaughn.

Heavier than me.

Mr. Hubert.

What would you say he weighed ?

Mr. Vaughn.

Oh, I would say he weighed around 250.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he bald or balding?

Mr. Vaughn.

Not that I recall he had quite a bit of hair.

Mr. Hubert.

What color was his hair?

Mr. Vaughn.

I believe the .best I remember I believe it was black.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you notice whether he had a limp or not?

Mr. Vaughn.

No, sir; I didn't notice.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you first hear that Ruby was supposed to have passed by you?

Mr. Vaughn.

I went immediately, after I took this man to the basement, I seen another officer that was right there in the basement and I asked him--they had already told him to go back to the squad, and so I run on up to 511, which is the patrol office, and Lieutenant Pierce was up there and I asked him if he wanted me to go ahead and stay on that position on the ramp out there, or what he wanted me to do and he said to go ahead and check back in service with the dispatcher and go back to the squad, and that was about, I would say, somewhere around 1 o'clock, and I went on back out and I answered a call, I believe I answered a couple of calls, and I answered one out in East Dallas and while I was out of the car, getting out of the car going up to talk to the people, they called--I heard a call for me to Call 401, at Parkland Hospital, which is the officer's room out there at Parkland, and so I went ahead and got the information concerned with the call and I got back to the car and went to the phone and I called. I called Parkland Hospital and talked to Captain Talbert, and Captain Talbert asked me if I had seen Jack Ruby that day and I said, "No." He asked me if I knew him and I said, "Well, I know him to the point that probably if I had met the man