Mr. Newman.

I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know what he does, where he is employed?

Mr. Newman.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

About how old is

Mr. Newman.

I guess late twenties.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know where he lives?

Mr. Newman.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see this particular officer out at Parkland Hospital?

Mr. Newman.

[Witness nods head.]

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you see him?

Mr. Newman.

He relieved .me sometime in the middle of the afternoon so I could go get a cup of coffee.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to him about what had happened down there in the basement?

Mr. Newman.

No. The only thing I said, I just relayed to him the instructions I had.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember telling anybody out there about seeing a man coming down the ramp?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you think that you did not tell anybody?

Mr. Newman.

I know I didn't.

Mr. Griffin.

You know you didn't tell anybody that. When did you first become aware that this might be significant, that you saw this man come down the ramp?

Mr. Newman.

When I was interviewed by Lieutenant Revill. It must have been the following Sunday.

Mr. Griffin.

After you got off duty at Parkland Hospital, where did you go?

Mr. Newman.

I went back-to the Police and Courts Building and was assigned on the second floor, security-detail.

Mr. Griffin.

IS that where Captain Talbert was?

Mr. Newman.

I don't know the gentleman. It was right outside of the city planning office.

Mr. Griffin.

Oh. Was this on the second floor of the municipal building?

Mr. Newman.

The Police and Courts Building. The city planning or

Mr. Griffin.

Is that in the jail part of the building?

Mr. Newman.

Yes. On the second floor, just to the right of the elevator,
there is some city offices there other than the police department.

Mr. Griffin.

IS that right?

Mr. Newman.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And you were on the elevator, stationed on the elevators there?

Mr. Newman.

No; I was at the stairway.

Mr. Griffin.

What were you to be doing there at the stairway?

Mr. Newman.

My instructions were that no one was to be in there except press, police, and anyone who had a business. There were several civilians who came into the building. I-recall one witness who, in accident, he was escorted into where he was going and escorted out.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain there?

Mr. Newman.

Until about 8:30 p.m. About 2 hours.

Mr. Griffin.

And then where did you go?

Mr. Newman.

I was relieved and went home.

Mr. Griffin.

All right: Now, while you were .there, did you talk to Sergeant Dean?

Mr. Newman.

Well, no; but I didn't see Sergeant Dean the rest of the day.

Mr. Griffin.

At any time before you left duty, did anybody from the police department talk to you about writing a report or anything like that?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, while you were standing around there before you left duty, did you hear any rumors about how Jack Ruby got in the building? What was the first rumor that you heard about how Ruby got in the building?

Mr. Newman.

The first I heard was not over 2 weeks ago in an account in a newspaper.