Mr. Griffin.

You saw a man come down the ramp?

Mr. Newman.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you see him come down the ramp?

Mr. Newman.

It was just immediately after that was called out.

Mr. Griffin.

And whereabouts did you first see him when he was on the ramp ?

Mr. Newman.

Oh, I would say in about the location of this arrow [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

You want to put a mark there?

Mr. Newman.

[Indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what did you see that man do ?

Mr. Newman.

He just ran down in here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Did he seem to run down into the center or to one side or what?

Mr. Newman.

From the angle I was looking, I couldn't tell.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see that man--how that man was dressed?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see that man emerge?

Mr. Newman.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Jack Ruby move forward at Lee Oswald ?

Mr. Newman.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Griffin.

As you were standing here, could you see the areaway here [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

I don't think I could because of the car that was parked here. I don't recall seeing the area. I don't recall not seeing it. I don't much think I could, though, because there was a car parked right here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

All right. I am going to mark this in pencil. Is that about where this car was [indicating]?

Mr. Newman.

I would say it was just about that location [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

All right. And is the way we have got this drawn here at this point, with the one pencil mark in there, the way the area from here on up, all the way up to here and the whole building appeared at the time Oswald was shot, from this spot [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

That's the way it appeared to me.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you tell us anything about that area there [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

NO. I do remember one thing, now, that was--some half hour before that, where another automobile was parked, if you are interested.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; I am.

Mr. Newman.

It was parked, I would say, approximately here. I will mark this "second auto"; is that all right [indicating] ?

Mr. Griffin.

Just mark it "car one half hour before shooting."

Mr. Newman.

All right [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Now, was that car there at the time that Oswald was shot?

Mr. Newman.

No; it wasn't.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you see that car moved?

Mr. Newman.

I don't recall it being moved. It might possibly have been the car that left here. I do know there was a car over here. I wasn't paying that much attention as to what they were doing. This might possibly have been this car; I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

You are not sure where the car that went up the ramp came from, but you did see a car go up the ramp? Mr. NEWMAN. Uh-huh.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see this car that moved through the line of newsman?

Mr. Newman.

Not that I recall. I didn't pay any attention to it.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. You have indicated that this car you saw move out, moved out 5 or 10 minutes before the shooting. Now, I know it's awful difficult, we have been here talking, and I frankly haven't any idea how long we have

talked. Maybe it is easier to pinpoint the movement of that car in terms of when you heard that pop bottle?

Mr. Newman.

All I know, it was sometime between the bottle and the shooting. I would say I can't pinpoint it even within 10 minutes, but I do know it was a short time.