Mr. Newman.

Someone yelled, "Here he comes." I believe, "Here they come,,, something to that effect.

Mr. Griffin.

And you could hear that from over there?

Mr. Newman.

[Witness nods head.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how about when you saw an automobile move out of the garage? Did you follow that automobile did you watch and see where that automobile went?

Mr. Newman.

Not from the time it got on the ramp. I couldn't see but about two thirds of the ramp. I couldn't see the door.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, after that automobile left, did you continue to watch over in that direction?

Mr. Newman.

No. There was nothing unusual about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Prior to the time, or as the automobile was moving out, can you describe this area, in what I will call the entrance to the garage, describe how many people were in that area there?

Mr. Newman.

Oh, I would estimate there were 40, 50, 60 people.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, were there substantially more people in the area in the garageway than in the area along the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Newman.

No; there were more people over in this area here, along this wall [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

How many people would you estimate were over

Mr. Newman.

Well, that's what I meant, I would say over 40 or 50, total. Out of that, I wouldn't think there were more than 5 or 10, if that many, in this area here [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Would you mark down here the placement of the people in that area at the time you heard somebody yell, "Here he cornea"

Mr. Newman.

You Just want to know about this one area?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Newman.

I don't recall specifically anyone being there at any particular place [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, over in this area, can you show me how they were placed over there [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

There was a group along this wall, there was a group over here that I could see [indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Now, what's your estimate of the number of people that were in this group?

Mr. Newman.

Oh, from what I could see, I would say maybe 20, just an estimate.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you put about 20 there?

Mr. Newman.

[Indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how many people would you estimate were over in this cluster that you have marked there [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

From what I could see, it appeared to be about the same number.

Mr. Griffin.

About 20 there. And, how many deep were they ?

Mr. Newman.

Oh, I couldn't see that much detail. I could just tell there was a crowd of people.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, would you try to indicate how people were spaced over in here [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

Well, if there were, they were very sparse. I would just say individually.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, why don't you just write in there "sparse."

Mr. Newman.

[Indicating].

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall where the TV cameras were placed?

Mr. Newman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you indicate on that where the TV cameras were?

Mr. Newman.

AS I recall, there were three.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you came into the basement the first time, did you see a TV camera over in this area here that I have pointed to [indicating] ?

Mr. Newman.

Not a large camera. There may have been a hand-held camera, but no large camera.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am indicating on here, so the record will reflect, I am