Mr. Miller.

No; because right after that he was moved over to the Jail elevator and was being taken upstairs, and I went out in the basement, the garage part of the basement, again.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, was Ruby searched in the jail office while you were there?

Mr. Miller.

A quick search, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

A pat-down?

Mr. Miller.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Were his pockets emptied?

Mr. Miller.

Not that I remember; no.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Now, were you in the jail office when Ruby was taken upstairs?

Mr. Miller.

I couldn't be definite on that, because the best I remember it, about the time he was being taken over to the elevator or shortly after, the ambulance came in and picked Oswald up, and I went ,back out into the basement to help try to keep this crowd of reporters or photographers and what-not out of the way so that they could get the ambulance in and Oswald loaded into it.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how long did you remain out there in the basement area assisting with the photographers?

Mr. Miller.

I would say maybe 45 minutes to an hour.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, were you there when-Officer Dean was interviewed on television?

Mr. Miller.

I don't remember Officer Dean being interviewed; no~ . After the ambulance got out, I went up to the ramp on the Commerce Street side. There were several people up there who claimed to be reporters and photographers and what-not trying to get down into the basement and trying to force their way in, and I went up to assist with that problem.

Mr. Griffin.

During this period from the time that Ruby was taken upstairs and all of the time you were down there in the basement, did you talk with anybody about how Ruby got into the basement?

Mr. Miller.

It is possible that I did, but I don't--like I say, I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember any rumors that you heard at that time

about how he got in?

Mr. Miller.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there any rumors circulated at that time as to how he got in?

Mr. Miller.

There was one that I remember, that he might have been--came in helping a crew with a television camera that came from the basement proper there out into the garage part.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear that rumor while you were down in the basement?

Mr. Miller.

I believe I did, but I couldn't be definite about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Officer Harrison stay down there in the basement with you?

Mr. Miller.

No; I don't believe he did. Now, he could have, but I don't think so.
. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Officer McMillon?

Mr. Miller.

I didn't--I don't remember seeing Officer McMillon in the basement.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Officer Lowery?

Mr. Miller.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do after you finished down there in the basement?

Mr. Miller.

Well, after things quieted down up there at the Commerce Street side, I went back up to the juvenile 'bureau.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do up there in the juvenile bureau?

Mr. Miller.

I couldn't be definite about it. I probably worked on some reports, but as to definite

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk to anybody up there about how Ruby got into the basement?

Mr. Miller.

I am sure I did, but as far as remembering any particular person that I talked to or how it was discussed, I couldn't say.

Mr. Griffin.

Who was up there in the juvenile bureau when you got back?

Mr. Miller.

Policewoman McLine is the only one that I could say that was definitely there.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was Officer Harrison at that time?