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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XII - Page 284« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Capt. Frank M, Martin)

Mr. Hubert.
Captain MARTIN. No; I hadn't noticed them then. In fact, I was over where I couldn't see them.
Mr. Hubert.
When was the first time that you did recognize Ruby as the man who shot Oswald ?
Captain MARTIN. When I went in the jail office.
Mr. Hubert.
You didn't know it until then ?
Captain MARTIN. No; I saw him on the floor. Then I heard somebody say it was Jack Ruby, and I went in there and saw him.
Mr. Hubert.
Did he say anything to you?
Captain MARTIN. No.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you hear him say anything at all?
Captain MARTIN. There was so much going on, I don't know whether he said anything or not. First thing i heard was somebody said, "He has been shot." And then there was confusion. I don't know who said that.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you have occasion to talk to Ruby at any time thereafter?
Captain MARTIN. No, no.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, Captain Martin, is there anything else you would like to say concerning any aspect of this matter at all ?
Captain MARTIN. I--don't take this down.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, if you don't want to say it on the record, you'd better not say it at all.
Captain MARTIN. There is a lot to be said, but probably be better if I don't say it.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, I don't know what you mean by
Captain MARTIN. Well--
Mr. Hubert.
That it would be better. What we are seeking to find out is the facts on it.
Captain MARTIN. I understand.
Mr. Hubert.
If what you have to say is more or less a matter of opinion, that is one thing. I don't want to ask you to express your opinion, but any facts you know that you think might bear upon this matter, I would ask that you state those facts.
Captain MARTIN. Well, there is not but one thing that I could say about the whole business. Of course, we are not experienced in handling this sort of a prisoner. I don't guess anybody is, as far as that goes, but the wry I saw it, there was no organization at all. I didn't know who was in charge or anything about it. I don't guess anybody either people should have been told some-thing--what to do and what to expect. We weren't
Mr. Hubert.
All right, sir. Have you any other facts that you think have any bearing upon--
Captain MARTIN. No, no; I don't think so. I think it is more or less in that report there [indicating].
Mr. Hubert.
That is to say, you are talking about the documents you have identified ?
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, other than the interview that I had with you this morning, have you been interviewed by any member of the Commission staff?
Captain MARTIN. No, no.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, but I did interview you this morning just prior to lunch, I think at which time we arranged for you to come to have your deposition taken.
Captain MARTIN. Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you perceive at the present time any inconsistency between the interview with me this morning and your testimony in the deposition this afternoon ?
Captain MARTIN. No, no. It is about the same.
Mr. Hubert.
Did you state anything, or provide any material, state any facts in the course of the interview this morning which has not been developed in the record this afternoon ?
Captain MARTIN. I don't recall anything. If there is any you can think of, you can ask me and I will bring it out, but I don't recall a thing.
Mr. Hubert.
No, sir; I don't. I am just obliged to ask these questions to wrap it up.
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