Mr. Cutchshaw.

Well, shortly after this camera came through, someone hollered, "Here they come," or else I think I forget, or "They are on their way down"--we have lights on the basement showing where the elevator is coming down, and someone hollered to clear the way for the cameras--to get out from in front of the cameras--but as far as me telling how many people were in front of the cameras, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Had you ever talked to Lowery about whether he saw some man come from the channel 5 stationary camera and help push the moving camera into that space?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Now, Lowery and I were talking when Lieutenant Wallace told us--he said, if I remember right, Wallace, he says, "I believe I think I found out where you got the third man." And we asked him where, and he said he found out from the crew that a man came from the other channel 5 camera that was already in the basement and helped them down this short incline, because the camera was rocking.
And I said, "I don't remember anybody, but I do remember seeing three men on the camera." And, Lowery said the same thing, that he did remember seeing the three men. But I don't remember anybody coming from here to the camera.

Mr. Griffin.

Let's go ahead now, sir. When you were up there filling out your report in the homicide office when you talked with these men that you finally detained after the shooting, the two men that you detained, did you describe to them the third man that was with them?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

NO.

Mr. Griffin.

When you asked them where is the third man and he said there wasn't, what did they say?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

They just told me that there wasn't any, that if there was a third man there, they didn't know about it.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody else standing with you at the time they said that?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I believe Officer Lowery was there at that time. But the first thing, I went right out there and got a hold of both of them and asked them, "Where is the other man that came out with them." And he said, "There wasn't any other man." And I said, "I know there were three men with you when you came out." And he said, "If there was one between us, they don't know nothing about it." And I don't remember whether Officer Lowery was there, but I don't think he was there, but we did question them again, and I still think there was a third man.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Officer Swain, did he make that denial to Swain?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I don't really know, because that is when I left and had to go up to the first floor. Lowery started getting their names and they talked to Lieutenant Swain and told them what it was, and he said, "Go ahead and get their names and ask where they are going to be."

Mr. Griffin.

Who was it that came up to you and told you that he had found out, had an explanation for the third man. Mr. CUTCHSHAW. Lieutenant Wallace.

Mr. Griffin.

How long was that after Sunday, November 247

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I imagine that was maybe a week or two, because through their investigation they tried to contact everybody that was down there. It was quite some time. The exact amount of days, I don't know, but it was quite some time after that he explained it to us.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got up to the homicide office, did Lowery fill out a report ?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Harrison fill out a report while you were out there?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I think he did.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you all talk about this when you were up there?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Yes; I believe we did.

Mr. Griffin.

I take it that you were all--as a matter of fact, this was probably a matter of general interest to everybody up there, don't you imagine?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

Right.

Mr. Griffin.

You think anybody could have been in that office without knowing what you guys had seen?

Mr. Cutchshaw.

I think so, because we don't tell everybody up there in the