It is on page 32. "Stevenson then proceeded across the driveway to the entrance to the garage where Detective C. W. Brown, driving one car, and Detective Dhority, driving the second car, was preparing to pull the cars behind the armored car." Do you remember Brown or Dhority walking to the cars in the basement?
Chief BATCHELOR. I wasn't directing my attention to them at the moment they did that.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know or have you heard whether they were sitting in those cars for a long period of time, or a few minutes, or whether they
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't know, but I imagine so. I think they came down for that express purpose, after this plan was changed.

Mr. Griffin.

Where were you standing as the rear car--that is, the car closest to the exit from the jail office
Chief BATCHELOR. I was standing over in here.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you place an "X" on the map where you were standing?
Chief BATCHELOR. Well, I don't remember exactly where I was standing at the time that they pulled those cars up, but I think I was standing over here, and then moved to this position as they were backing in, because I had been talking to Chief Stevenson just about that time, and we were talking right up in here.

Mr. Griffin.

Now at the time you heard the shots fired, would you place on this map where these two automobiles were and where you were standing?
Chief BATCHELOR. One car was right here, approximately, and the other car was ahead of it, and I am not drawing this in very good proportion, but this is the order they were in, and I was standing, and this I know in good order, because I was standing about midway of this thing, which was along about the back fender of this car, that I was standing right along here. But these cars were larger than that.

Mr. Griffin.

Why don't you cross out that Ford car there and redraw it up where it was?
Chief BATCHELOR. I was standing here, and this one was back here more in this position.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you put your name where you have made the circle?
Chief BATCHELOR. (Marks on chart.)

Mr. Griffin.

Now do you remember what other officers or people were around you ?
Chief BATCHELOR. No; I don't remember who. There was a whole bunch of people.

Mr. Griffin.

What happened when you heard the shot fired? What did you do?
Chief BATCHELOR. Well, actually before the shot was fired, when I was standing along here, and when somebody shouted, "Here he comes." I started to go to that truck, that armored truck and close the doors on it, the back doors so it could take off. And I turned to do that when I heard the shot. I hadn't taken over a step or two over to the door when he was shot.

Mr. Griffin.

Then what did you do?
Chief BATCHELOR. I turned around and looked back and came over there. There was a whole group of people had him down. It was a big

Mr. Griffin.

Had Ruby down?
Chief BATCHELOR. Had Ruby down. They had pulled Oswald into the jail office, and then pulled Ruby in behind him.
I went into the jail office to look at them, and they had Ruby down on the floor on his back and was trying to handcuff him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's focus on the time when they had Ruby down on the ground out there on the ramp, the ramp area. Where did you stand at that point?
Chief BATCHELOR. I stood off in the crowd I didn't even see what was going on. There was such a crowd.

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