Mr. Hubert.

mockup here. First of all, this is the inside jail office. This is really--this is the corridor swinging door. This is the outside corridor of the jail door. Now, looking at this first, try to fix your position and then I'm going to ask you to place your position on this map once you have related this map to the mockup, so we will have a record on this map of where you were.

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir; would have been standing just about here [indicating], just almost to the corner.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I am placing--is this it?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I am placing a circle where you say you were standing. That is just off the corner of the intersection formed by the jail corridor and the basement ramp, but toward the swinging door in the basement and the jail office?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Right?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And, I'm going to put there, "Position of Combest as stationed by Jones." Is that correct?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I am Circling that language and attaching the language to the circle that you have indicated. Now, what time did you reach the position that we just marked on the map?

Mr. Combest.

It would have been approximately 20 minutes before the shooting, which would have placed it at 11, wouldn't it? 11 a.m.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you remain at that position until the shooting?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, I understand that you didn't remain absolutely still, but you didn't walk around?

Mr. Combest.

No, sir; I stayed in that immediate area right there.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember who was on your right?

Mr. Combest.

R. L. Lowery. Detective R. L Lowery.

Mr. Hubert.

I am going to mark his position. That would have put him almost

Mr. Combest.

Right at the corner.

Mr. Hubert.

Right at the corner?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

I am marking that, encircling the language, "Position of R. L. Lowery," and do you remember who was to your left?

Mr. Combest.

Detective Beaty, Detective B. L. Beaty.

Mr. Hubert.

You were facing in the direction of the Main Street ramp, in the parking area on the Main Street side of the building?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were there for approximately 20 minutes?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you see out into the parking area on the Main Street side of the building?

Mr. Combest.

No, sir; I could not. They completely blocked me, television cameras and newsmen on this side---on this side of the rail, and of down in the basement, itself.

Mr. Hubert.

I am marking an area which I am going to call "area B," with an oblong circle. Is that the area you are talking about?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say that "area B," had television cameras and personnel attending them?

Mr. Combest.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And other people there, so that you were unable to see into the parking area, is that correct?

Mr. Combest.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I'm going to mark another area, "area A," and ask if there were any people standing in that area? Mr. COMBEST. Yes; there were.

Mr. Hubert.

Roughly, how many?