Mr. Beaty.

After the lights were on, you couldn't see nothing.

Mr. Griffin.

After the lights were on, you couldn't see anything over there?

Mr. Beaty.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, do you recall whether or not Captain Jones instructed the men that when Oswald was brought out from the jail office to where you men were standing, that you were supposed to begin to start walking alongside of Oswald toward the armored car ?

Mr. Beaty.

He told us to keep the path open, and then he changed this detail here and pushed them all back.

Mr. Griffin.

If all of the members of the press were along the Main Street ramp and were over behind, roughly behind the railing, or at ]east behind the TV camera in the direction of the garage area, what function did you people who were' stationed along where you have marked your "X," that wall that you have your "X," and up the Commerce Street ramp, what function were you people going to have ?

Mr. Beaty.

I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you.

Mr. Griffin.

You certainly didn't expect that you were going to have any trouble from newspaper people, because you were all backed up against the wall, weren't you?

Mr. Beaty.

I couldn't tell you, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, before Ruby shot Oswald, what did you do ?

Mr. Beaty.

When?

Mr. Griffin.

Before Ruby shot Oswald.

Mr. Beaty.

When we first, it occurred to me at the time that--you don't have policemen for 15 years, you don't have to sit down and draw them a diagram to have them cover somebody, and Captain Jones said make the way open, and it occurred to me that if we had to move around that corner, fine. At that time there were people all around here and out in the driveway.

Mr. Griffin.

At the time Captain Jones set you up, there had been people there ? .

Mr. Beaty.

Yes; there had.

Mr. Griffin.

You then displaced news people, is that right?

Mr. Beaty.

No; whenever Captain Jones come back down, and I think he had Sergeant Putnam or Dean, and he instructed them all to get back there.

Mr. Griffin.

The area you are pointing to is on the opposite side from where you were?

Mr. Beaty.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay.

Mr. Beaty.

If you go on with your interview, I can tell you what my opinion is why we was there.

Mr. Griffin.

That is what I want you to tell me, what your opinion was.

Mr. Beaty.

Well, of course, the people from the press, they brought Oswald out here, they all, Captain Jones asked them to please don't ask him no questions, and let's get this over with as fast as we can. Those are not his exact words, but that is what he meant. So, we all moved back behind this line, and as they brought Oswald out to just about the entrance to the Commerce Street and Main Street ramp right along here

Mr. Griffin.

Put a circle where Oswald was.

Mr. Beaty.

The three of them were there along here.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. I have written "Oswald."

Mr. Beaty.

And, by the way, after that they moved these people back, these
officers on the north side of the hallway were moved out into the ramp area here.

Mr. Griffin.

These started to move out ?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes, sir; they did.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how about the' people on your side?

Mr. Beaty.

There was only about four of us over there. Mr. GRIFFIN. You people stayed where you were?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this. Do you think these people who were on the ramp side, which you call the north side