Mr. Beaty.

Somewhere right there.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you to put the TV cameras in a square.

Mr. Beaty.

[Complies.]

Mr. Griffin.

Now, were there only two TV cameras in the basement?

Mr. Beaty.

The best I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall if there was a TV camera in the garage entrance-way to the garage?

Mr. Beaty.

No, sir; I sure don't. There were so many of them, and guys had them on their shoulders, and little tape recorders, and one thing all over the joint.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, I am talking only about TV cameras, the big things that set on a tripod as opposed to little movie cameras

Mr. Beaty.

They had some of the shoulder cameras.

Mr. Griffin.

I wasn't thinking of them. I am just talking about the stationary cameras.

Mr. Beaty.

I suppose I didn't pay any attention to them at all.

Mr. Griffin.

I am only talking now about the instructions that you remember that came from Captain Jones. Do you have any idea as to what you were to do when Oswald got abreast of you ?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes, sir. He told us we would keep this aisle clear, and at this time the cameras were run in and out of this door and something through this door, and around here, and then he returned in about 3 or 4 minutes later and said, "All you people from the press move back into the driveway." And I will indicate it by a dotted line across here.

Mr. Griffin.

Okay.

Mr. Beaty.

And over into the driveway entrance of the parking area from the Commerce Street, Main Street ramp. Would you want a dotted line?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. Let me ask you a question about that. What is your best estimate of the number of people that were over in the garage entrance area ?

Mr. Beaty.

Counting the people here behind the camera ?

Mr. Griffin.

No; not counting the people behind the camera.

Mr. Beaty.

Right along in here?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; along the dotted line.

Mr. Beaty.

Thirty-five or forty.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that congested?

Mr. Beaty.

No; it wasn't. You can get that many people in. It is a pretty wide area. Looks like it might be 50 feet across there, if this is 15.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, across that 50-foot area, was there just a single line across there ?

Mr. Beaty.

They could be doubled or tripled. They were all scattered out, of course. But there seemed like there was some congestion right around there and behind the cameras.

Mr. Griffin.

Will you draw a half circle in the area or quarter circle in the area where the congestion was?

Mr. Beaty.

Right along in here, best I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did there appear to be people standing behind the TV cameras?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Were there people standing up above the TV cameras, if you recall?

Mr. Beaty.

I don't know what they would stand on. There is nothing for them to stand on unless they had a box or something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, how did the congestion in this area that you have indicated by a half circle which runs from about the position of the TV camera close to the Main Street side, to about the middle of the entrance to the garage, how did the congestion in that area compare to the congestion along the Main Street ramp or across the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Beaty.

The best I remember, most of the people that moved out of this area moved into this area here. Then they moved over here. It looked like there might have been as many here, or more, as there were over here. There must have been a hundred all together all scattered out all in the basement, and they wouldn't stay still. They would mill around as long as they didn't