Mr. Griffin.

this, because I don't want to change this in any way that isn't fair, would it be fair to change this time 10 a.m., to read--

Mr. Beaty.

That it was 10 or 10:30, would that be all right, because I don't remember ?

Mr. Griffin.

To read a half hour or--to an hour before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Beaty.

Well, I don't carry a watch so I never know what time it is unless I ask somebody and it would be a matter of kind of remembering, and if you want to say 10 or 10:30, that would be about the same time, wouldn't it?

Mr. Griffin.

Would it be just fair to say, "I am not certain about the exact time ?"

Mr. Beaty.

That would be fine.

Mr. Griffin.

I wish you would do this in your own handwriting and write in there, "I am not certain about the time."

Mr. Beaty.

[Makes statement and initials.]

Mr. Griffin.

Put a date after your initials.

Mr. Beaty.

3-26--64. I don't even remember what month.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, now, do you recall any of the people who came down in the contingent with Captain Jones?

Mr. Beaty.

They are listed on the back of that, the best I remember.

Mr. Griffin.

You have listed on page 32, of what we have labeled Commission Document 85 (Beaty Exhibit 5040), the names of about a dozen police officers. Did you see all these people come down together,, or these people that you remember as having been in the basement?

Mr. Beaty.

They came let me read them.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me read them for the record. B. H. Combest. J. H. Hutchinson.

Mr. Beaty.

Those two, boy, they are supposed both special service officers, too, and I don't know how in the world they could have received word unless they called and told them to come down, because they were the only ones from the special service bureau down there with me at the time. I can't remember them getting off the elevator at the time, but Captain Martin--

Mr. Griffin.

Let me read them. W.J. Harrison.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes; I remember him.

Mr. Griffin.

Wilbur Jay Cutchshaw. James Watson.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

L. D. Miller.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

R. L. Lowery.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes; he was on.

Mr. Griffin.

J. Charles Goolsby?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

W. E. Chambers.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Captain Frank Martin.

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Lieutenant W. Wiggins?

Mr. Beaty.

No; he wasn't. He was a jail supervisor. He was already down.

Mr. Griffin.

R. C. Wagner?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

That is the complete list.

Mr. Beaty.

They must have been on two elevators.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, have these men that you saw come down, Harrison, Cutch-shaw, Watson, Miller, Lowery, Goolsby, Chambers, and Martin, were all those people attached to the juvenile bureau?

Mr. Beaty.

No; Chambers is forgery. Goolsby is juvenile. Lowery is juvenile. Wagner, I believe, is forgery. Watson is auto theft. Harrison is juvenile. I don't know where Miller works.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Cutchshaw?

Mr. Beaty.

Cutchshaw is juvenile. Hutchinson and Combest are both special services.

Mr. Griffin.

But Wagner was not in the elevator?

Mr. Beaty.

Yes; he was with them.