Mr. Griffin.

Some of the people come with attorneys. I don't want you to feel that maybe if you come with an attorney that you are prejudiced.

Mr. Beaty.

I don't need 'an attorney, I don't think.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Beaty.

I do.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you state your name for the record?

Mr. Beaty.

Buford Lee Beaty.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live, Mr. Beaty?

Mr. Beaty.

404 Freeman, Garland.

Mr. Griffin.

When were you born?

Mr. Beaty.

July 10, 1924.

Mr. Griffin.

Where are you employed?

Mr. Beaty.

Police department, Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been so employed?

Mr. Beaty.

Fifteen and a half years.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you in any particular bureau of the police department ?

Mr. Beaty.

Narcotics.

Mr. Griffin.

How long have you been there?

Mr. Beaty.

Altogether, about 4 years. This last time, about 6 months, something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

What was the earlier period that you were with the narcotics bureau?

Mr. Beaty.

From 1957 to 1960. And then I came back this time in June.

Mr. Griffin.

Now from 1960 until you came back, what bureau?

Mr. Beaty.

Burglary and theft.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you hold a particular rank?

Mr. Beaty.

Detective; yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you know Ruby announced that you would recognize him?

Mr. Beaty.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Could you tell us how you happened to first become familiar with Mr. Ruby?

Mr. Beaty.

When I first met him?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Beaty.

Well, I wrote him a traffic ticket one time about 1951, or something like that. But I knew of him before then. He had a joint down on South Ervay, and he was always calling the police to pick up drunks and one thing and another. Everybody knows Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

It was the Silver Spur?

Mr. Beaty.

That's right.

Mr. Griffin.

In connection with your duties in the narcotics bureau, did you ever have occasion to talk with him or conduct any investigation in connection with him?

Mr. Beaty.

About narcotics specifically?

Mr. Griffin.

Well, in connection with any of your duties, investigating duties with the police department, as opposed to traffic tickets? Let me ask you that question generally.

Mr. Beaty.

Not that I ever recall. I can't think of anything specifically at all where I could say I had occasion to interrogate him about anything.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am getting at is, was Jack Ruby ever treated by you as a person whom you might go to if you needed to find out about somebody?

Mr. Beaty.

A confidant ? No, sir; absolutely not.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know whether other people you worked with in the narcotics bureau might have attempted to use him ?

Mr. Beaty.

No, sir; I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you familiar with any narcotics investigation that ever took place with respect to Jack Ruby?

Mr. Beaty.

None.

Mr. Griffin.

Now how often would you say that you saw Ruby during the last 3 years?

Mr. Beaty.

Possibly, four, maybe five times.