Mr. Griffin.

Who participated in that decision?
Chief BATCHELOR. Chief Curry, Chief Stevenson, Captain Fritz, I believe--I was not in there when it was discussed.

Mr. Griffin.

After you talked to Fleming the second time what did you do?
Chief BATCHELOR. Then he said he would send them over, and we went down there to get the cars lined up. This must have been, oh, probably 10:45, 10:30 to 10:45. I went downstairs and I saw the basement well covered. We had a man at the top of the ramp on Main Street. We had several men in the basement leading into the garage area just before you get to the jail office, and I went through there, and Stevenson was with me.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me interrupt you here, Chief. I think I will pull out another map so that we can mark it. I am going to mark this map, for the purpose of identification, "Dallas, Tex., Chief Batchelor, March 23, 1964, Deposition Exhibit 5001." Now I want you to use this exhibit, Chief, to indicate what you saw on this second trip downstairs, which you indicated would be what time?
Chief BATCHELOR. I came out of the elevator into the basement and saw a

number of officers across this area right here. There were several detectives.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you mark that with "X's" ?
Chief BATCHELOR. [Marking.] Detective there. We walked through here. We noticed these cameras had been moved out.

Mr. Griffin.

You are talking about the passageway past the jail office?
Chief BATCHELOR. Past this jail office here. I noticed that inside the jail office there were three or four photographers inside the jail office.

Mr. Griffin.

At that point, you were at the jail office door nearest to the ramp driveway, and you looked in that door and you saw some news people?
Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; photographers.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you recognize any of them?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall them. We went in there and moved them out. We went and instructed the jail supervisor that there was to be no one in that jail office except officers.

Mr. Griffin.

Who was the supervisor?
Chief BATCHELOR. Lieutenant Wiggins. And we moved them out and we instructed the reporters, and there were a number of them down there at that time, by no means all of them, that--later there were, but there was a good

many--we told them they would have to stand back over here.

Mr. Griffin.

That is against the railing?
Chief BATCHELOR. Along the railing. And they had set up two TV cameras behind this railing.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you mark with an "S," where the two cameras were set up?
Chief BATCHELOR. [Marking.] Then there was another one right here.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that third camera there when you came down at 10:45 ?
Chief BATCHELOR. I don't think so. That was the one sitting over there. These were the two sitting out here.

Mr. Griffin.

Now the two cameras that you placed there had been originally near the record room?
Chief BATCHELOR. Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When did you see them near the record room ? When you came in in the morning?
Chief BATCHELOR. No. That trip down after we came down.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you take Exhibit 5000, and would you mark those two TV cameras that you saw on the first trip?
Chief BATCHELOR. [Marks.]

Mr. Griffin.

I believe you said that that time was 9:15?
Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; now they had been moved here.

Mr. Griffin.

Behind the railing?
Chief BATCHELOR. Behind the railing, and this was one sitting here. That was dead.

Mr. Griffin.

You are marking in the entrance to the garage off the Main Street ramp?
Chief BATCHELOR. Yes.