parking, we find it convenient to enter through that elevator and the service elevator from that entrance, and we always find it locked. We have to get a porter's attention by banging on the door to get it unlocked.

Mr. Hubert.

Since we are on that subject, how would you go through that service entrance on the alleyway into the first floor of the municipal building?
Captain TALBERT. The service entrance has some side doors leading off of it. I don't know whether they are broom closets, or go into rooms or what, but into the service elevator, both sides of the elevator has operable doors.

Mr. Hubert.

That is--so call it the Harwood side on the elevator, and the Pearl Street side.
Captain TALBERT. This is going to the Central Expressway over here [indicating].

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.
Captain TALBERT. And, so, the---the expressway side and the Harwood Street side has doors that do open. Both sides of that elevator have doors that would open, and the operator could open either one of them, and you can come in from the entrance and exit from this Harwood Street side. Enter from the expressway side and exit from the Harwood Street side.

Mr. Hubert.

If it were possible for a person to gain entrance through the service entrance into the first floor of the municipal building by use of the service elevator, that is to say, by walking through both of the doors of the elevator, he could then get into the stairwell of the fire escape on the first floor, could he not?
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And by walking down to the basement level at the point
Captain TALBERT. Designated "4"?

Mr. Hubert.

Designated "4," he could get into the basement area in that way.
Captain TALBERT. Yes, sir; but we had an operator on the service elevator with instructions not to allow anyone to basement, and he was--allowed no one to come in.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know who that person was?
Captain TALBERT. I believe his name is Mitchell, sir, to the best of my memory, is his name.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he a member of the police department?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir; he is a porter, a colored porter who works within the city hall building, itself.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to that man ?
Captain TALBERT. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you tell him ?
Captain TALBERT. At the time, I told him to take his elevator up on the first floor. I put the parking attendant on that elevator, or instructed the parking attendant to get on that elevator and go up to the first floor, and for the parking attendant to maintain a vigil lookout on this elevator marked Nos. "1" and "2" here, which will be "5" and "6" in my route. I told him to see that no one came nearby those elevators, and told the operator of the service elevator to stay on it, and not bring anyone to the basement.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was the parking attendant?
Captain TALBERT. I'm going to have to utilize his nickname, and it is rather far-afield. I should know his name. His nickname is "King," it is one we have used for quite some time.

Mr. Hubert.

Is he a member of the police department?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir; he is a colored parking attendant who works for the municipal garage.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether he carried out your orders, Captain Talbert?
Captain TALBERT. To my knowledge, he did. I don't know that he did, but to my knowledge, he did.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know to the contrary then?
Captain TALBERT. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, will you continue, then, your security search which we had left off, I think, at a point marked "4"?
Captain TALBERT. I went from point "4," the elevator-- the stairwell, to the

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