Mr. Stevenson.

Not the exact route at 9:45 or 10 o'clock, somewhere in that area. He asked us what route it would travel, and we told him that we believed that it would go up to the Central Expressway and west on Main at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

When you used the pronoun "we," whom do you mean?

Mr. Stevenson.

Chief Lumpkin and I.

Mr. Hubert.

So that the route, so far as you knew it at that time would be out of the Commerce Street exit, turning left, going beyond Pearl Street, which was one way againt the direction which you wanted to go, and then over to North Central Expressway?

Mr. Stevenson.

Mr. Hubert.

Turning left again and going to Main Street, turning left again, and then all the way down Main to Houston Mr. STEVENSON. Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he give any instructions, or did he indicate what he was going to do in connection with that plan?

Mr. Stevenson.

He said that he would call 10 men from his outside patrol and place one at each intersection on the route that would be taken to the county jail, which, as I said, at that time we figured would be Main Street, and he did make necessary arrangements.

Mr. Hubert.

All right then; go ahead.

Mr. Stevenson.

After we had drunk a cup of coffee, we returned back to the third floor and were advised a few moments later--Chief Batchelor advised me that the man had called him and that he was preparing to send the truck now. We again went to the basement, he and I, to see about the arrival of the armored truck.
I instructed Detective Captain O. A. Jones to go to the top of the Commerce Street ramp leading out of the basement to notify the two officers who were on duty there, to assist the truck when it came up and get it backed in as far as it would go down the ramp. Captain Jones did this and advised me that he also told Captain Talbert what he had done so that Captain Talbert would not move the officers when they got there. The truck was en route at that time.
After the truck arrived and was backed in, Chief Batchelor advised me that he and Lieutenant Smart opened the truck up and searched it completely, taking out, I believe, a couple of empty Coca-Cola bottles or soft drink bottles.

I had returned to the third floor, went to the homicide office, homicide bureau office, Chief Curry, Lieutenant Pierce, Captain Fritz, and I believe an FBI agent, and Lee Harvey Oswald was in Captain Fritz' office and some Federal officer had been interviewing him, oh, I would say at least for an hour, and I was advised at that time by Chief Curry--

Mr. Hubert.

What time was that?

Mr. Stevenson.

That was about 11:10 or 11:15--that they had changed their plans after discussing it with Captain Fritz and that instead of using the armored truck to transport the prisoner to the county jail, they would use the truck as a decoy because a car would be much more maneuverable if a crowd tried or anyone started to stop the car or take the prisoner, that the truck would proceed east on Commerce from the Commerce Street ramp to the Central Expressway north, north to Elm Street, Elm Street west to Houston, and would turn left and not stop at the county jail, but pass by the county jail on Houston, that the car carrying the prisoner followed by another car of detectives, and Chief Curry's car, which was also parked out in the street, would leave the truck at Main Street on North Central and turn west down Main Street and proceed directly to the county jail.
And the sheriff's office had been notified and would have the steel gate open where the, car could drive in and the gate could be closed directly behind it. When given this information, I left the homicide bureau and started back to the basement.
I met Chief Lumpkin at the elevator on the way to the basement and I advised him of the change in plan. On arriving at the basement, I advised Chief Batchelor and Captain Jones of the change in the plan. I had been in the basement a minute or two after I had advised them of the change, and two detectives were bringing two police and plain cars from the parking area proper onto the ramp from the parking area.