Mr. Pic.

Lee wasn't born when Lee Oswald was alive, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

That is right. Well, then, except for the time Mr. Ekdahl lived with you?

Mr. Pic.

That is true, sir. That would make him about 10 1/2 years old.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to the time he was 10½ years old, why he roomed and slept with his mother in the same bed?

Mr. Pic.

I would like to interject here.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, I am seeking something of the personality of your mother and the effect on you, had an effect on Robert, and probably a more material effect on Lee, is that correct?

Mr. Pic.

Yes; I am sure it did. When I reached 17, I was eligible for the service, but I was really in no hurry, I wanted to finish my high school education, and when I decided to join the Coast Guard--at that time to join the Coast Guard you needed your parent's consent up until the age of 21. I asked her for it and she hesitated and I told her if she didn't give it to me I would join another branch where I didn't need it and then I got it. I am sure that neither Robert nor Lee needed their mother's consent to join the Marine' Corps at the age of 17. I know for the Coast Guard we did, sir, the Coast Guard was not a part of the Department of Defense at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Directing your attention to Exhibits Nos. 21 and 21-A, the second page of that letter, Exhibit No. 21, reads, "Robert left Friday morning for San Diego. He joined the Marines and signed for 4 years. I am glad he decided to enlist. He realized his mistake about getting married, and"--would you read the rest of it?

Mr. Pic.

"And probably having to go just the same."

Mr. Jenner.

"And then probably having to go just the same." Is that the incident in which your mother opposed your brother Robert's marriage to the little crippled girl?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Turn to Exhibit No. 24. There is a reference there to a lady, Ethel somebody at Holmes. Would you read that?

Mr. Pic.

"Ethel Nunncy at Holmes asks about you."

Mr. Jenner.

And that is--Holmes is a department store?

Mr. Pic.

In New Orleans.

Mr. Jenner.

Who was Ethel Nunncy?

Mr. Pic.

She was a friend of my mother's, sir, that I had known of since I was a small--I was a baby.

Mr. Jenner.

Sir, this Exchange Alley--did they have to live under these conditions?

Mr. Pic.

All I know is that they lived there. She thought they did.

Mr. Jenner.

Exhibit No. 31-B which is a letter from your mother to you postmarked at Fort Worth, June 3, 1950, reading "Dear John, your sense of responsibility seems nil" or null.

Mr. Pic.

Nil, null.

Mr. Jenner.

N-u-l-1. "Remember it was you insisted I buy the car as you planned to work at Consolidated. Well I have been in a jam financially ever since you left." What is the next word?

Mr. Pic.

"Kept waiting and robbing Peter to pay Paul."

Mr. Jenner.

"Until you were"

Mr. Pic.

Kept waiting and robbing Peter to pay Paul until you were finished with your boot training as your letters indicated you would send a hundred fifty dollars and about fifty dollars a month."

Mr. Jenner.

Had you so indicated?

Mr. Pic.

I don't believe so, sir. I don't see how, I wasn't making but $80 per month.

Mr. Jenner.

What truth was there in her statement that it was you who insisted that she buy the car?

Mr. Pic.

Well, that old jalopy I have a picture of was falling apart and before I went in the service she had a ride home from work and the generator wouldn't generate, and the battery wouldn't battery and it just kept cutting out, so we needed a new car.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that particular car about which you have just described--