Mr. Jenner.

You mean the member of the family who was absent at mealtime she would save something for him?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you get the feeling, you and your brother, in due course, that your mother's references to these financial needs at times, at least when, to use the vernacular, she was crying wolf?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

These continued references by her to her financial needs, did you think that had an effect on Lee as well as on yourself and your brother?

Mr. Pic.

It didn't affect me that much. I ignored most of them. If I had money I sent it. If I didn't, that was it. Lee was brought up in this atmosphere of constant money problems, and I am sure it had quite an effect on him, and Also Robert.

Mr. Jenner.

In her letter enclosed in the envelope postmarked June 18, 1951--

Mr. Pic.

What number is that. sir?

Mr. Jenner.

That is Exhibits Nos. 19 and 19-A--she makes reference that Robert has been saving his money since January to buy a car and "gives me $15 a week and never spends a cent unless absolutely necessary (is he tight) but he has saved $210 since the first of the year and is hiding"-

Mr. Pic.

Hitting.

Mr. Jenner.

"For $400" and so on.

Mr. Pic.

Before buying a car.

Mr. Jenner.

"Won't loan me a penny, pays his room and board regularly. He gets 2 weeks vacation with pay, I believe, will start in July." Do you remember your mother attempting to borrow money from you?

Mr. Pic.

When I went home on leave in 1950 with a hundred or so dollars, like I mentioned before, she wanted to hold it, just about the whole amount except for about $10 from me, so nothing would happen to it, and I might get robbed or something, she felt. Whenever she could she attempted to get a buck out of any of us.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you get any of that money back?

Mr. Pic.

I got it all back and subsequently when I left I gave her, I think $50 or so.

Mr. Jenner.

In that same letter she refers to. she said, "I only made $92 last month and am just starting to get leads. I am back with the same company." To what company is she referring in that letter which is postmarked June 18, 1951?

Mr. Pic.

I don't know, sir. It sounds to me like it would be an insurance company.

Mr. Jenner.

Do yon recall your mother selling insurance?

Mr. Pic.

Yes; I knew approximately at this time period she sold insurance.

Mr. Jenner.

There is a reference to Lee taking tap dancing lessons, also, in that letter, that he is a good dancer, "with his voice it would be a good thing to start dancing lessons and when he is a little older take voice."

Mr. Pic.

I think this statement here about this practically like several other statements which are either direct or indirect were an attempt to get me to donate some money to this cause or something else. Of course this, to me, is a come-on for maybe next time I write I will say, "Hurrah, hurrah, Lee is going to take tap dancing lessons" and then she will write and say she can't afford it and to send a little money to help him. She did these things. In fact, in some of her letters she refers to it is my fault they are in trouble because I stated I would help pay for the car and since I was in the service I wasn't holding up my end of the bargain.

Mr. Jenner.

What about that incident?

Mr. Pic.

Sir, that is in the second group of letters.

Mr. Jenner.

What about this particular incident you mentioned? What are the facts about that?

Mr. Pic.

Just what it states here. This is all I know, sir. What it states in this letter.

Mr. Jenner.

About the dancing and voice?