Mr. Pic.

didn't want nothing to do with me. The only things I heard about Lee was that he was in the Marine Corps and he liked it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your brother Robert say anything about having been in New Orleans before he came to Fort Worth?

Mr. Pic.

He told me about a trip that he made to pick them up or something down there. They called him up one time and he drove down and got them and drove back all in the same trip.

Mr. Jenner.

That must have been the time when they left New Orleans and came to Fort Worth.

Mr. Pic.

Sir, in the testimony of Marilyn Murret, I am going to make a statement.

Mr. Jenner.

What testimony of Marilyn Murret?

Mr. Pic.

This is what I am going to tell you that prior to his defection she knew he was in Europe and everywhere that I read in here, no one knew he was going to Europe. She informed me before anyone knew he defected that he was in Europe.

Mr. Jenner.

Who informed you?

Mr. Pic.

Marilyn Murret in Japan. She was in Japan. She visited with me.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. I will go into that right after dinner.

Mr. Pic.

All right, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

We will suspend until 7:30.

(Whereupon, at 6:30 p.m., the proceeding was recessed.)

Testimony of John Edward Pic Resumed

The proceeding was reconvened at 7:55 p.m.

Mr. Jenner.

When we adjourned for dinner you were telling us the incident in August, I believe it was 1958, when you visited your mother and your brother on your way to California on your assignment to Japan. Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you read me the last answer of the witness, please? (The answer, as recorded, was read by the reporter.)

Mr. Jenner.

Marilyn Murret is your cousin?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

One of the children of Charles and Lillian Murret?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

By the way, did your wife and children accompany you to Japan?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And you arrived in Japan about when?

Mr. Pic.

10 November 1958, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you aware before you left for Japan that Marilyn Murret, was in Japan?

Mr. Pic.

She was not in Japan then, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. You arrived in Japan and went over there sometime while you were in Japan. By the way, first where were you stationed?

Mr. Pic.

My military address was U.S.A.F. Hospital, Tachikawa, APO 323, San Francisco, Calif.

Mr. Jenner.

You heard from or saw Marilyn Murret after you got there?

Mr. Pic.

Right. In approximately October-November, early November, the end of October 1959 she called me up at the hospital. and it bad been years since I had seen her, and she told me she had come from Australia. She was traveling around the world, and I invited her out to the house the next weekend.
She couldn't come during the week. She was teaching school in Japan and as a freelance teacher working for no agency, just doing this to earn her own traveling money. So she visited us on a Sunday, I believe.
We talked about the family and everything. She talked about Lee, about how proud he was to be in the Marine Corps, and he really put on a big show about this.

Mr. Jenner.

How did she know that, did she reveal?

Mr. Pic.

She had seen him,'evidently, when he was first in the Marine Corps. She described him in uniform, and--