Mr. Liebeler.

So it would have been possible for him to have sat in that porch and you couldn't see him very well from the street?

Mr. Rogers.

He wouldn't discuss anything on the porch. He would go in the house.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would it have been possible to sit in that porch and drop the blinds so that people couldn't see you?

Mr. Rogers.

It could be possible. I don't know. I never--I seen him sitting down there and go in and out, coming in and out.

Mr. Liebeler.

We talked to you previously out at the apartment, and my recollection is that you told us that some time in September, I believe, that a station wagon came and picked up Mrs. Oswald.

Mr. Rogers.

That was the time he left town.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Rogers.

The station wagon was visible. I called my wife. I said, "Well, he must be leaving." They were packing all the things. Probably left the next night or sometime like I told you, the following night after. Had the two things in his hand and goggles on like he was running out of there. I don't know what he was doing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about those goggles. Were they something like sunglasses? Describe them.

Mr. Rogers.

I don't know. I couldn't say that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see what license plates the station wagon had on it?

Mr. Rogers.

No, Mr. Liebeler, I couldn't tell you on that. Kind of a gray station wagon. He was putting the packing, everything in that himself.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know when the station wagon left?

Mr. Rogers.

Well, I told my wife--she said she might have left early in the morning before we got up, with the lady.

Mr. Liebeler.

You think that she might have left with the lady?

Mr. Rogers.

Yes. Then he left that night or late afternoon. Went out in a hurry. Left all the lights on.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who was in the station wagon? Was there another lady?

Mr. Rogers.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see the station wagon leave?

Mr. Rogers.

We didn't see it leave, but it wasn't there when he left. There was nobody else evidently.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see Oswald at all after the station wagon left?

Mr. Rogers.

No; I didn't see him until that night. He slipped out of there. He was going out to catch the bus across the street. The bus stop is right across the street from us.

Mr. Liebeler.

You did see Oswald come out of the apartment in the evening?

Mr. Rogers.

Yes. We was sitting on the porch at that time.

Mr. Liebeler.

So it is clear to you that Oswald did not leave with the ladies in the station wagon?

Mr. Rogers.

No; he didn't leave with them in the station wagon. It was the following evening he left on the bus with these two handbags.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was in the evening?

Mr. Rogers.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

He ran across the street and got on the bus?

Mr. Rogers.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he get on the bus at the bus stop?

Mr. Rogers.

Bus stop on the corner right opposite.

Mr. Liebeler.

Toward the center of the city?

Mr. Rogers.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see the bags that he had in his hand when he went out?

Mr. Rogers.

My wife seen some of them.

Mr. Liebeler.

(handing pictures to witness). Let me show you some pictures and see if these look like it.

Mr. Rogers.

This middle one, I know that ain't the type there. That's not the type.

Mr. Liebeler.

I show you a picture of a bag that has been marked as "Commission Exhibit No. 126," and ask you if that looks like the bag.