Mr. Liebeler.

that you told Agent Hosty that Leopoldo told you he was not going to have anything more to do with Leon Oswald since Leon was considered to be loco?

Mrs. Odio.

That's right. He used two tactics with me, and this I have analyzed. He wanted me to introduce this man. He thought that I had something to do with the underground, with the big operation, and I could get men into Cuba. That is what he thought, which is not true.
When I had no reaction to the American, he thought that he would mention that the man was loco and out of his mind and would be the kind of man that could do anything like getting underground in Cuba, like killing Castro. He repeated several times he was an expert shotman. And he said, "We probably won't have anything to do with him. He is kind of 1oco."
When he mentioned the fact that we should have killed President Kennedy--and this I recall in my conversation he was trying to play it safe. If I liked him, then he would go along with me, but if I didn't like him, he was kind of retreating to see what my reaction was. It was cleverly done.

Mr. Liebeler.

So he actually played both sides of the fence?

Mrs. Odio.

That's right, both sides of the fence.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Leopoldo tell you that Leon had been in the Armed Forces?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did he tell you about that?

Mrs. Odio.

He said he had been in the Marines. That is what he said.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he. tell you that Leon could help in the underground activities in which you were presumably engaged?

Mrs. Odio.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever talked to Eugenio about this matter since it happened?

Mrs. Odio.

No, I have not even contacted him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is your sister Annie in Dallas now?

Mrs. Odio.

She is coming now the end of July.

Mr. Liebeler.

She is not here now?

Mrs. Odio.

No, she is coming from Florida. She is coming to live with me. She spent 6 months with my brother.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us what her address is in Florida?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes. She is in--wait 1 second--Southwest 82d Place, Miami, Fla.

Mr. Liebeler.

How old were these two men that were with Leon?

Mrs. Odio.

One of them must have been--he had a mark on his face like, I can't explain it--his complexion wasn't too soft. He was kind of like as if he had been in the sun. So he must have been about near 40, one of them. Mr. LIEBELER. Which one was that?

Mrs. Odio.

But the other one was young. That was the tall one.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was not Leopoldo?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Alentado was younger?

Mrs. Odio.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How old was he, would you say?

Mrs. Odio.

About 34, something like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now how old would you say Oswald was? Did you form an opinion about that when you saw him at the time?

Mrs. Odio.

No; I have never thought about it. I mean, I never thought how old he was. He seemed to be a young man. I mean, not an old man. I would say he was a young man; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you say how old you thought he was after you saw him that day in your apartment?

Mrs. Odio.

I can't say that. I can establish in my thoughts; yes, I could establish an age, but I didn't think of it at the time.

Mr. Liebeler.

What age would you establish you thought about it?

Mrs. Odio.

Oh, 34 or 35.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you read the newspapers and watched television since the assassination and observed Oswald?

Mrs. Odio.

I read some of it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you read how old he was?

Mrs. Odio.

I don't even know what age he is.