Mr. Jenner.

You had met her after you had entered the service and while you were stationed in the New York area?

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

At this time, that is the summer of 1952 you were living where?

Mr. Pic.

325 East 92d Street, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you have any children at that time?

Mr. Pic.

In August 1952; yes, sir. I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Your first child was born?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; John Edward Pic, Jr.

Mr. Jenner.

Was the child born before or after your mother and Lee arrived.

Mr. Pic.

Before, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Pic.

He was born 14 May 1952, approximately 3 months before they arrived.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Did you invite your mother and Lee to come to New York?

Mr. Pic.

The impression that my wife and myself had was they were coming to visit, sir, and we had nothing against this. My mother-in-law, we lived with her at the time, she was visiting her other daughter, Mrs. Emma Parrish, in Norfolk, Va., she was staying with them, so we had the room for them.

Mr. Jenner.

But that was your mother's apartment or home?

Mr. Pic.

Mother-in-law's.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it an apartment or a home?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir; it was a box, freight-car type railroad apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

One room in back of the other?

Mr. Pic.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

So you were then guests of your mother-in-law at that particular time, that is, living in her home or apartment? And your impression was that your mother and Lee they were just visiting for the summer months or for a period, to visit for the summer months or a period during the summer that was your definite impression.

Mr. Pic.

That is correct, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, what happened?

Mr. Pic.

At this time I was stationed at U.S. Coast Guard, Port Security Unit, Ellis Island, New York. My status there, I was, I worked once every fourth night, also every fourth weekend so I wasn't home all the time. When they came I took leave so I could spend more time with them.

Mr. Jenner.

"I took Lee," would you elaborate on that? What do you mean you took Lee.

Mr. Pic.

I am allowed 30 days leave a year and I took off, I took a week or so, I think.

Mr. Jenner.

I misunderstood you, I thought you said you took Lee but you said you took leave.

Mr. Pic.

Leave.

Mr. Jenner.

You took 30 days leave.

Mr. Pic.

No, sir; maybe a week or two.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your impression, you were with them or tried to be with them during that 2-week period.

Mr. Pic.

Just a minute, sir. That is where I began my notes. August 1952, my mother and Lee came to New York. They brought with them quite a bit of luggage, and their own TV set. On my way home I had to walk about 8 to 10 blocks to the subway, and Lee walked up to meet me as I was walking home, I told my wife and Lee decided to go up and meet me. We met in the street and I was real glad to see him and he was real glad to see me. 'We were real good friends. I think a matter of a few days or so I took my leave. Lee and I visited some of the landmarks of New York, the Museum of Natural History, Polk's Hobby Shop on 5th Avenue. I took him on the Staten Island ferry, and several other excursions we made.

Mr. Jenner.

Go ahead.

Mr. Pic.

Well, sir; it wasn't but a matter of days before I could sense they moved in to stay for good, and this not being my apartment, but my mother-in-law's apartment, my wife kind of frowned upon this a little bit. We didn't