Mr. Liebeler.

man that was in your office and the same man you say was passing out literature in the street.

Mr. Andrews.

It appears to be.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you recognize this Mexican again if you saw him?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember telling the FBI that you wouldn't be able to recognize him again if you saw him?

Mr. Andrews.

Probably did. Been a long time. There's three people I am going to find: One of them is the real guy that killed the President; the Mexican; and Clay Bertrand.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you mean to suggest by that statement that you have considerable doubt in your mind that Oswald killed the President?

Mr. Andrews.

I know good and well he did not. With that weapon, he couldn't have been capable of making three controlled shots in that short time.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are basing your opinion on reports that you have received over news media as to how many shots were fired in what period of time; is that correct?

Mr. Andrews.

I am basing my opinion on five years as an ordnanceman in the Navy. You can lean into those things, and with throwing the bolts--if I couldn't do it myself, 8 hours a day, doing this for a living, constantly on the range, I know this civilian couldn't do it. He might have been a sharp marksman at one time, but if you don't lean into that rifle and don't squeeze and. control consistently, your brain can tell you how to do it, but you don't have the capability.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have used a pronoun in this last series of statements, the pronoun "it." You are making certain assumptions as to what actually happened, or you have a certain notion in your mind as to what happened based on material you read in the newspaper?

Mr. Andrews.

It doesn't make any difference. What you have to do is lean into a weapon, and, to fire three shots controlled with accuracy, this bey couldn't do it. Forget the President.

Mr. Liebeler.

You base that judgment on the fact that, in your own experience, it is difficult to do that sort of thing?

Mr. Andrews.

You have to stay with it. You just don't pick up a rifle or a pistol or whatever weapon you are using and stay proficient with it. You have to know what you are doing. You have to be a conniver. This boy could have connived the deal, but I think he is a patsy. Somebody else pulled the trigger.

Mr. Liebeler.

However, as we have indicated, it is your opinion. You don't have any evidence other than what you have already told us about your surmise and opinions about the rifle on which to base that statement; is that correct? If you do, I want to know what it is.

Mr. Andrews.

If I did, I would give it to you. It's just taking the 5 years and thinking about it a bit. I have fired as much as 40,000 rounds of ammo a day for 7 days a week. You get pretty good with it as long as you keep firing. Then I have gone back after 2 weeks. I used to be able to take a shotgun, go on a skeet, and pop 100 out of 100. After 2 weeks, I could only pop 60 of them. I would have to start shooting again, same way with the rifle and machineguns. Every other person I knew, same thing happened to them. You just have to stay at it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, did you see Oswald at any time subsequent to that time you saw him in the street handing out literature?

Mr. Andrews.

I have never seen him since.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us what month that was, approximately?

Mr. Andrews.

Summertime. Before July. I think the last time would be around--the last could have been, I guess, around the 10th of July.

Mr. Liebeler.

Around the 10th of July?

Mr. Andrews.

I don't believe it was after that. It could have been before, but not after.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, you mentioned this Mexican that accompanied Oswald to your office. Have you seen him at any time subsequent to the last time Oswald came into your office?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell us approximately how long a period of time elapsed