Mr. Hubert.

Did he speak to this individual?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you tell us what conversation or statements passed between Mr. Hamblen and the individual?

Mr. Lewis.

It was just about the identification, about that you have to have it before you can get your money.

Mr. Hubert.

Prior to the time when the man went off to get the identification?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long was Mr. Hamblen with this man?

Mr. Lewis.

I couldn't say for sure. I don't really know.

Mr. Hubert.

How long were you with him on the first occasion?

Mr. Lewis.

The first occasion I would say about 4 to 5 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now how long after having left to get the identification did he come back with his identification you referred to?

Mr. Lewis.

It wasn't long. I would say about 15 to 30 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Hamblen see him then?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How do you know that?

Mr. Lewis.

Because he came back up to the counter.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Hamblen did?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Why did he do that? Did you ask him to?

Mr. Lewis.

He saw him come in, and he came back and helped me out with him.

Mr. Hubert.

Was this person disagreeable on the second occasion?

Mr. Lewis.

He was somewhat disagreeable still in a nasty mood--you might say.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say nasty mood, could you give us an example of what physically happened that you characterize as nasty?

Mr. Lewis.

Well, cursing and telling us how lousy we are, and that he had been paid money orders before and never had to have any identification. And just generally what everybody else tells us. It is nothing new. We hear it quite often.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember this person's name?

Mr. Lewis.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Mr. Hamblen tell you that he had had difficulty with this man prior to this occasion?

Mr. Lewis.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you that he had ever cashed any money orders for this person prior to this occasion?

Mr. Lewis.

I don't believe so, no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall any address to the payee?

Mr. Lewis.

The YMCA is the only address that he gave me.

Mr. Hubert.

Was the telegram money order addressed to the YMCA?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes, sir; as far as I can remember, it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now, as I understand it, it must have come in with the telegram?

Mr. Lewis.

He came in with the check.

Mr. Hubert.

The check?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Your recollection is, the check was addressed to the YMCA, to an individual at the Y?

Mr. Lewis.

We have a rubber stamp at each branch office which is stamped at the top of their checks where it was issued, and as I recall, it was issued at the Cotton Exchange office.

Mr. Hubert.

At the Cotton Exchange office?

Mr. Lewis.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Of Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. Lewis.

Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

So that there was someone in Dallas sending a money order from the Cotton Exchange office?

Mr. Lewis.

No, sir. That is where it was addressed, to the Cotton Exchange.