Mr. Liebeler.

Fifteen to 18 inches long.

Mrs. Whitworth.

That's right.

Mr. Mckenzie.

What did he say to you when he came into the store?

Mrs. Whitworth.

He asked me if I had this particular part, some particular part, but not knowing about guns, I didn't have it. I don't remember it, you know, what he asked for.

Mr. Mckenzie.

To the best of your recollection, if you will, state for the purpose of the record here exactly what he said to you?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, he asked me if I had this part, whatever it was, pertaining to a gun.

Mr. Mckenzie.

And what part was it?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I don't know--because I don't know anything about guns.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Can you state it in his words?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I cannot.

Mr. Mckenzie.

You cannot tell us exactly what he said, but this is just what your recollection is of what he said?

Mrs. Whitworth.

That's right.

Mr. Mckenzie.

And what did he say to you then--give us your best recollection.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me ask a question, if I may. Mrs. Whitworth, isn't it a fact that you told a newspaper reporter that came by your store shortly after this happened what that part was that he was looking for; a Miss Campbell or Mrs. Campbell?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; I didn't. Mrs. Hunter and I discussed it afterwards, and I think that she might know more about guns and she said it was a plunger, but I'm not sure I might have told them that I thought it was a plunger, but I don't remember.

Mr. Mckenzie.

And you did not tell the reporter what you thought 'it was; is that right?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; I didn't--I don't believe I ever made the statement that I knew exactly what it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, you told the reporter that you thought it was a plunger; isn't that a fact?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I believe Mrs. Hunter said that. She talked to the same reporter--I don't know what it was, because I don't remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did the reporter make a tape recording of the conversation?

Mrs. Whitworth.

The reporter made a tape recording of my conversation--part of it, I would say.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she ever give you a copy of that tape recording?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Did he tell you what the part that he was looking for was to be used with or for?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; because I didn't ask him.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Did he tell you that he was looking for a part for a gun?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, it was for a gun, because he asked for it, you know, that part. He came in because I had a gunsmith sign on the street and there had been one there.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; he didn't tell me that.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did you know that he came in because you had a gunsmith sign on the door?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I presume that because he asked for a gun part.

Mr. Liebeler.

And what part did he ask for?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I don't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did you know it was a part for a gun?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I just knew it was--whatever he asked for was, you know, pertaining to a gun, but as far as what it was, I don't know. I didn't pay that much attention to it because I had people coming in every day asking for something for a gun.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you it was a part for a gun?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I knew that it was at that time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that it was?