Mrs. Whitworth.

in what he was looking at, didn't look to be, you know, and if they were well--I just don't know, or I would say that there was any misunderstanding--there wasn't any smiles and there wasn't any jokes and neither one of them exchanged smiles. It wouldn't be like if I was going out shopping and my husband was going to buy something for me. I believe I would be more pleasant, but you know, I guess she just didn't know what he was talking about, but we were looking at furniture and I believe he went back to the car and told her to get out.

Mr. Liebeler.

She just didn't seem to be very interested in that furniture?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; she didn't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever had any other occasion in the entire time you have been running a furniture store, when a man and a wife came in and spent 30 or 40 minutes looking at furniture in a store and they never exchanged one single word between each other?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; not one single word.

Mr. Liebeler.

That just almost defies ordinary human experience; doesn't it?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Wouldn't you say that--usually?

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; I never had anything like that. They usually agree or disagree and they usually exchange a few words.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; they usually exchange a few words.

Mrs. Whitworth.

No; I never had an occasion like that--that's the reason it stood out to me like that more than anything else. I have waited on a lot of people in 10 years and I have had an awful lot of people come in my store. Some of them I would recognize and some of them I wouldn't, but that incident just stood out and after all of this--you just knew it was them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would it refresh your recollection if I suggested that Oswald, or this man that came into the store, was looking for a plunger---did he tell you what he was looking for, that he was looking for a plunger?

Mrs. Whitworth.

It might have been a plunger. Like I say, I don't know a thing in the world about guns. It could have been a plunger. We have discussed that since then and I have never said what it was that he was looking for--whatever he had--he had in his hands. I mean, he had something in his hand.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where were you standing in the store when he walked out and they got in the car?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I believe I walked back up to where my cash---in my cash stand and it hit me about right here and I could lean on it and my candy stand--I would have had to walk around another bar to have gotten to the candy because I couldn't reach over and get it and I was standing right like this and I was looking down on them and this bar hit me about right here [indicating].

Mr. Liebeler.

About waist high?

Mrs. Whitworth.

And I couldn't have went inside unless I had turned and walked back around and that's as far as I got--was the cash register.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you see the car from where you were standing?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I could have.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you actually see it drive east down Irving Boulevard against the traffic?

Mrs. Whitworth.

I wouldn't say that I did see it drive east--I don't believe we talked about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who did?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Well, I might have made a statement one time about that, but right now, I wouldn't say he did. There's too many cars that drove up there that did go the wrong way, but I would say it was a blue and white car and I have always said that it was a Ford or Plymouth--it was something with fins on it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say we discussed' it--what do you mean by that--who is "we"?

Mrs. Whitworth.

Mrs. Hunter and I, you know, now as far as going back down the wrong way on that street--I wouldn't swear that the man did and I don't think that I ever made the statement that he drove off, because I don't know that he did.

Mr. Liebeler.

I quote the FBI report of your interview on December 14, 1963: