Mr. Liebeler.

reporter as set forth in the article which had appeared in the newspaper that day."

Mr. Schmidt.

Right. About that 10 o'clock, I was guessing that that was the 10 o'clock news. I did see a television denial of that, and I am just guessing that it was the 10 o'clock news. It was CBS, because I know I remember it was. It had to be CBS because I 'believe, and I am not sure about that 10 o'clock, because the best I can remember, it was Walter Cronkite reading the denial, and if it was Walter Cronkite, it couldn't have been the 10 o'clock news, because I don't think he was on then. In any event, I did see the television denial of it, and I am pretty sure it was CBS.

Mr. Liebeler.

And Ryder actually appeared on the television taped program, at that time; did he?

Mr. Schmidt.

I am trying to remember that. I just remember the denial clearly on television. I wouldn't swear to Ryder being on the television tape.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember for sure that Ryder denied furnishing any information to a Dallas Times Herald reporter?

Mr. Schmidt.

In that interview he denied having done, having mounted a scope on the rifle, and he denied the story in the Times Herald, is what he was doing in essence. And he said he just didn't do it, is what he said on that, or what the story on the television said.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember whether or not he specifically denied having told that story to a Dallas Times Herald reporter?

Mr. Schmidt.

No; I don't remember if he specifically said that in essence. I remember the denial being credited to Ryder. As best I can recall now, the denial being credited to Ryder.
He said he denied the story in the Times Herald, that he did thus and so, that he mounted the scope. Now I am trying to remember back from what I saw on that television, because now I understand he has denied to his boss later on.
His boss had talked to our people at the Herald. He denied to his boss later on, and his boss talked to us and said that he denied to him talking to anybody from the Times Herald.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever talk to Greener (Ryder's boss) about this?

Mr. Schmidt.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Schmidt.

On the phone.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about that.

Mr. Schmidt.

He called. He was very cordial. He called in and he said that--this is after he had talked to somebody else, as I understand it.
Either he called in, or I called him. We got together on the phone, and I told him that I talked to the man Thanksgiving morning and got those facts from him. And he said that the guy denied the story, and that was in essence what was said. I told him I didn't know why he denied it or anything, unless he figured that it might not go over very well with the public.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Greener know about this work that had supposedly been done on Oswald's rifle, when you called him?

Mr. Schmidt.

I don't remember discussing that, whether he knew about the work or not. But I remember pointing out the fact that in the denial that I heard on television, that the ticket and the cost and all that wasn't mentioned. And as I have said, I didn't know that much about rifles, and I told the man I couldn't make up that much about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember Greener telling you that he was completely unaware of any of the information that was set forth in the article that appeared in the paper on November 28, 1963, until after he had been contacted by a CBS television reporter that afternoon, and that was the first time that he read it?

That he, Greener, had learned any of the facts about this whole thing?

Mr. Schmidt.

I believe he said something to that in essence.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask Greener why Ryder had denied talking to you and giving you the information?

Mr. Schmidt.

Did I ask Greener why Ryder denied it?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; as I understand, the sequence went something like this.