We made about three stops or four stops every 2 or 3 hours, and he didn't speak to us during these stops. We got speaking to the other British people.

Mr. Ball.

Did he speak to you again after that time that he first came back?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes; oh, about 2 hours before we arrived in Mexico City he asked us whether we had accommodations arranged there. And we said no, we had a vague idea from a book called "Mexico on Five Dollars a Day" where we were going to stay.
And he suggested that on previous trips to Mexico City he had stayed at a place called the Hotel Cuba, and he recommended it for clean and cheap living.
And he then made a crack that he wasn't suggesting the Hotel Cuba because he was going to be there; he just suggested it to help us.
And we decided that we wouldn't take him up on his suggestion; that we would go bur own way.
Then we arrived in the Mexico City bus station and he didn't speak to us, attempt to speak to us at all. He was one of the first off the bus and the last I remember seeing him he was standing across the end of the room.

Mr. Ball.

At the bus station?
Miss MUMFORD. At the bus station. And we left by taxi.

Mr. Ball.

Then you had two conversations with him?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Or more?
Miss MUMFORD. No; two. During the trip I engaged the middle-aged English gentleman in conversation, asking him about the weather, and what it was like usually. And he said, "The young man traveling beside me has traveled to Mexico also. Why don't you talk to him ?" And that was all.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you when you talked to the English gentleman; the elderly man?
Miss MUMFORD. Just standing outside at one of the rest stops, standing outside waiting to board the bus.

Mr. Ball.

Did you talk to any one of these four people as the bus was en route, except Oswald; the four English-speaking people?
Miss MUMFORD. Not on the bus. We did speak to the young English couple for a while, told them where we had lived in London, and they had told us very vaguely, I remember, that they were also traveling through the United States, but their main aim wasn't to go to the tourist resorts in America but to go down to Mexico.

Mr. Ball.

Did you get their names? Did they tell you their names?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't ask them their name?
Miss. MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

When did you talk to this elderly English gentleman who was sitting beside Oswald when you first got on the bus?
Miss MUMFORD. The only time we talked to him was at one of the rest stops outside the bus. And I just happened to ask him about the weather, and that was the only conversation.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say anything else to you on the trip except that there was a young man sitting next to him that had been in Mexico before?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

Mr. Ball.

That's all he said?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.

Mr. Ball.

About how many people were on this bus?
Miss MUMFORD. There must have been about 14 rows on both sides, with two people on each. About 50, 55. It was crowded.

Mr. Ball.

I have a note here of a statement you made to an agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation on the 18th of December in which it was reported that you estimated about 39 passengers. Do you recall that? Did you ever say that?
Miss MUMFORD. Well, these were conflicting reports, naturally. The FBI questioned Patricia at our apartment and he then questioned me here and, naturally, two people get different ideas on a bus load.
But, it was well crowded. There were a lot of children on the bus. I should imagine there would be---they were long, great big, long, heavy buses.

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