Mr. Jenner.

No. Do you have any recollection that Oswald stayed in the Elsbeth Street apartment before Marina was moved in?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I don't believe he did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any discussion occur as to whether Oswald had renounced or attempted to renounce his American citizenship?

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Was the subject even discussed?

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, it was when he told us about how, you know, the Russians wanted him to give it up.

Mr. Jenner.

And he declined to?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Was Marina politically minded?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I wouldn't say so.

Mr. Jenner.

But she was religious?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I'd say she was.

Mr. Jenner.

What was your impression of Oswald as to his intellect?

Mrs. Gibson.

I think he was very intelligent.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he articulate?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And what about his argumentation?

Mrs. Gibson.

Very good. He could make almost anybody believe what he was saying.

Mr. Jenner.

He was strong in his convictions?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Unbending?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have any impression of whether he was quick-tempered or prone to violence?

Mrs. Gibson.

I think he was very quick tempered.

Mr. Jenner.

He flared up, did he, during these arguments?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And other things, with your husband?

Mrs. Gibson.

No; not with my husband. With his wife. He got disgusted, I think, with our stupidity, as he called it, which used to infuriate me. I don't particularly like being called stupid, and he used to call us stupid a lot.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that because you differed in your view?

Mrs. Gibson.

Differed with him.

Mr. Jenner.

From him?

Mr. Gibson.

Yes; that was his favorite word, we were stupid, we weren't using our brains. He'd come up with something like, "How could you possibly say such a thing?"

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever pick him up at the Jaggars place of business?

Mrs. Gibson.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Your father and your Stepmother now reside in Haiti?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

When did they go to Haiti?

Mrs. Gibson.

Last year some time.

Mr. Jenner.

June of 1963.

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you seen your father or your stepmother since then?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I saw them a couple of weeks ago.

Mr. Jenner.

When they were here to testify, they dropped by to see you, did they?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Your husband Donald Gibson is a native-born American?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In an interview on December 3, 1963, you are reported to have said that Lee Oswald occasionally came to your apartment, of yourself and your husband, and although Marina stayed at your apartment, only about 2 weeks, Oswald continued to visit on occasions. Does that refresh your recollection that this stay of Marina at your home was longer than 3 to 4 days?

Mrs. Gibson.

It must have been misunderstood. If I had said 2 weeks I must